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6 hours ago, AjeetSingh2019 said:

as we say in daily prayer , "Raaj karega khalsa , aaki rahe na koe, Khwaar hoe sab milenge, bache sharan jo hoe"

So currently we're destined to be in khwaari , 

Another meaning that I have heard is that others (non Sikhs) will be khwaar. And only those will survive who come to the Sharan of the Khalsa.

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If you treat sikhi like an ethnicity/race/nationality then it will inevitably be surrounded and over run very easily in todays times.

The solution has always been to spread sikhi by parchar convert those who want to convert you. If your religion and ideology is superior than that of atheism, islam or christianity it will win through but if our lazy a$$ sikhs who want to live comfortably with "senu key" attitude, dont care about their fellow Sikhs and ultimately dont want to put in that work dont want to convert non-believers dont want to spread the deen and want to get over run therefore the choice is theirs.

We cant win in the numbers demographics game in the west or outside of indian punjab because the root cause which is lack of parchar, it's the key real problem. Even if you had a good number of Sikhs you will still be over run in any disagreement or conflict because their numbers are many times greater and like i said sikhi is not a genetic thing its an ideology a spiritual path that is ment to be spread.

If we take afghan Sikhs in afghanistan as an example these unfortunate souls are are getting killed for free with no help from anyone including our own weak global sikh kaum. They have no power no influence so are easily victimsed by evil minded sunni muslims. Whereas they either could have gone all out and tried to convert local muslims to become secret Sikhs (like an underground movement) or could have done revenge attacks on anti-sikh sunni salafi extremist people long time ago as they dont have not much to lose any more. in 1980s they had good numbers to form self defense militant groups their mistake was relying on the good nature of afghans to safeguard their lives and livelihoods. Doing nothing has led to the inevitable when islam is concerned sooner or later when the muslim mafia extremists muscle in pushing weak peaceful friendlier muslims to the sidelines and take charge to force non-muslims to either pay the extortionate protection racquet jizya tax, or convert to their brand of islam or face death.

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32 minutes ago, genie said:

If you treat sikhi like an ethnicity/race/nationality then it will inevitably be surrounded and over run very easily in todays times.

The solution has always been to spread sikhi by parchar convert those who want to convert you. If your religion and ideology is superior than that of atheism, islam or christianity it will win through but if our lazy a$$ sikhs who want to live comfortably with "senu key" attitude, dont care about their fellow Sikhs and ultimately dont want to put in that work dont want to convert non-believers dont want to spread the deen and want to get over run therefore the choice is theirs.

We cant win in the numbers demographics game in the west or outside of indian punjab because the root cause which is lack of parchar, it's the key real problem. Even if you had a good number of Sikhs you will still be over run in any disagreement or conflict because their numbers are many times greater and like i said sikhi is not a genetic thing its an ideology a spiritual path that is ment to be spread.

If we take afghan Sikhs in afghanistan as an example these unfortunate souls are are getting killed for free with no help from anyone including our own weak global sikh kaum. They have no power no influence so are easily victimsed by evil minded sunni muslims. Whereas they either could have gone all out and tried to convert local muslims to become secret Sikhs (like an underground movement) or could have done revenge attacks on anti-sikh sunni salafi extremist people long time ago as they dont have not much to lose any more. in 1980s they had good numbers to form self defense militant groups their mistake was relying on the good nature of afghans to safeguard their lives and livelihoods. Doing nothing has led to the inevitable when islam is concerned sooner or later when the muslim mafia extremists muscle in pushing weak peaceful friendlier muslims to the sidelines and take charge to force non-muslims to either pay the extortionate protection racquet jizya tax, or convert to their brand of islam or face death.

Amen to all that Veer Ji. Wasps are just as mutually exclusive. 

Parchar, recruit, train gain. 

Peacefully and abundantly grow in self determination and be ready for any opposition...and quietly eliminate it one way or another. 

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38 minutes ago, genie said:

If you treat sikhi like an ethnicity/race/nationality then it will inevitably be surrounded and over run very easily in todays times.

The solution has always been to spread sikhi by parchar convert those who want to convert you. If your religion and ideology is superior than that of atheism, islam or christianity it will win through but if our lazy <banned word filter activated> sikhs dont want to put in that work dont want to convert non-believers dont want to spread the deen and want to get over run then choice is theirs.

We cant win in the numbers demographics game in the west or outside of indian punjab because the root cause which is lack of parchar, the real problem. Even if you had a good number of Sikhs you will still be over run in any conflict because their numbers are many times greater and like i said sikhi is not a genetic thing its an ideology a spiritual path that is ment to be spread.

If we take afghan Sikhs in afghanistan as an example these unfortunate souls are are getting killed for free with no help from weak global sikh kaum. They have no power no influence so are easily victimsed by evil minded muslims. Whereas they either could have gone all out and tried to convert local muslims to become secret Sikhs (like an underground movement) or could have done revenge attacks on anti-sikh sunni salafi extremist people long time ago as they dont have not much to lose any more. in 1980s they had good numbers to form self defense militant groups their mistake was relying on the good nature of afghans to safeguard their lives and livelihoods. Doing nothing has led to the inevitable when islam is concerned sooner or later when the muslim mafia extremists muscle in pushing weak peaceful friendlier muslims to the sidelines and take charge to force non-muslims to either pay the extortionate protection racquet jizya tax, or convert to their brand of islam or face death.

The way I see Muslim situation in Europe and in India is that Muslims are a scourge on the Europeans and Hindus of India for their past sins. Europeans did a lot of evil all over the world during the colonial past. What they did in Africa, America and Asia is the lowest point in human history. They looted, killed millions and reaped the benefits and now law of Karma is using the Muslims to punish them. There lands will be over run by Muslims.

Same with the Hindus. The way they treated the Sikhs since the fall of the Sikh empire and especially since 1947 they can write a whole book on how to do Dhokha and back stabbing. When they attacked Sri Darbar Sahib and killed off a whole generation of young Sikh men they destroyed what little good Karma they had left. They recieved Raaj after 800 years of Ghulami and would have ruled for hundreds of years to come. But I would give it just 1 to 2 more decades left. A major clash between Hindus and Muslims of the subcontinent is inevitable in which Hindus will face punishment.

Before the Muslim takeover, the Sikhs across Europe would be better off if they all moved to the UK and bolstered the Sikh community already there or moved to any English speaking country.

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2 hours ago, GurjantGnostic said:

Amen to all that Veer Ji. Wasps are just as mutually exclusive. 

Parchar, recruit, train gain. 

Peacefully and abundantly grow in self determination and be ready for any opposition...and quietly eliminate it one way or another. 

Definitely brother.

As Guru Nanak Sahib ji says in gurbani. you'll harvest the seeds you sow. So if we spread and sow the seeds of sikhi far into the earths field sooner or later the harvest of new Sikhs will emerge.

2 hours ago, Jonny101 said:

The way I see Muslim situation in Europe and in India is that Muslims are a scourge on the Europeans and Hindus of India for their past sins. Europeans did a lot of evil all over the world during the colonial past. What they did in Africa, America and Asia is the lowest point in human history. They looted, killed millions and reaped the benefits and now law of Karma is using the Muslims to punish them. There lands will be over run by Muslims.

Same with the Hindus. The way they treated the Sikhs since the fall of the Sikh empire and especially since 1947 they can write a whole book on how to do Dhokha and back stabbing. When they attacked Sri Darbar Sahib and killed off a whole generation of young Sikh men they destroyed what little good Karma they had left. They recieved Raaj after 800 years of Ghulami and would have ruled for hundreds of years to come. But I would give it just 1 to 2 more decades left. A major clash between Hindus and Muslims of the subcontinent is inevitable in which Hindus will face punishment.

Before the Muslim takeover, the Sikhs across Europe would be better off if they all moved to the UK and bolstered the Sikh community already there or moved to any English speaking country.

Clash is inevitable those who are wise can see the signs and prepare. Jews, Muslims and Christians are always waiting for Armageddon awaiting that final clash of clashes where their own chosen group will be saved while the rest will perish. So they are always alert to future clashes with non-believers. Hindu's generally are pretty relaxed only act when the conflict storm is upon them. And us Sikhs generally come very late to the party with the storm already having ravaged us without preparations. It was only in 1947 did our people begin to prepare on early for what was to come and managed to save a large population of Sikhs from getting annihilated with racist british white imperialists and their congress and islamic stooges plans to finish our people in the partition genocide of punjab but we against all odds survived. And again they conspired and tried in 1984 and our peoples preparations were very late and very limited otherwise a devastating blow could have landed on the indian parliament and army had enough indian sikh soldiers defected on early to the dharmi sikh rebels side. Us Sikhs need to develop the science and study of future signs and trends. self proclaimed Islamic scholars do this very well at the moment guiding their flock. Sikhs scholars used to have this ability in puritan times but no there is no mainstream Sikh person doing it.

Pakistan is a good ripe ground for Sikh sphere of influence if Sikhs play their cards right they can win many converts from the sufi muslim community. Many pakistani muslim families who have ancestry of Sikh heritage are pretty open minded to Sikhi as long as sikhs maintain respect for the similarities of islam and a love for pakistan they can bring them closer to Sikhi. The pakistani hindu sindhi's are very pro-sikh in their outlook. the pakistani christians are mostly of poorer dalit hindu and sikh ancestry who were forced to convert to christianity to save themselves from musilm mobs in 1947 as they weren't economic rich enough to travel to safety. They too can be guided to become Sikhs.

As for europe the white ethno nationalists will clash with rising islamic demographic sooner or later thats if the muslims do not reform islam and islamic culture to blend into the mainstream european culture as the Jews did centuries ago. Andres breveik the white freemason nationalist terrorist who murdered 70+ people in norway, wrote a manifesto titled 2083 which states how european whites will fight back against the non-whites especially the muslims to win back europe. Everyone thought he is a mass murderer crackhead a nutjob a far right extremist loonie. Yes he is alll that but he is also a forecaster he does have the ability to see how islamic numbers will rise and the inevitable political demands will start more violence will occur and then the eventual civil war fight will start as it happened in the yugoslav balkans war and in serbia with kosovo. Even if a natural clash doesn't happen the rich atheist capitalist elites will want and fund a clash between peoples as it will suit their purposes to blame other people for problems the public face while they secretly rule from above.

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33 minutes ago, genie said:

Definitely brother.

As Guru Nanak Sahib ji says in gurbani. you'll harvest the seeds you sow. So if we spread and sow the seeds of sikhi far into the earths field sooner or later the harvest of new Sikhs will emerge.

Clash is inevitable those who are wise can see the signs and prepare. Jews, Muslims and Christians are always waiting for Armageddon awaiting that final clash of clashes where their own chosen group will be saved while the rest will perish. So they are always alert to future clashes with non-believers. Hindu's generally are pretty relaxed only act when the conflict storm is upon them. And us Sikhs generally come very late to the party with the storm already having ravaged us without preparations. It was only in 1947 did our people begin to prepare on early for what was to come and managed to save a large population of Sikhs from getting annihilated with racist british white imperialists and their congress and islamic stooges plans to finish our people in the partition genocide of punjab but we against all odds survived. And again they conspired and tried in 1984 and our peoples preparations were very late and very limited otherwise a devastating blow could have landed on the indian parliament and army had enough indian sikh soldiers defected on early to the dharmi sikh rebels side. Us Sikhs need to develop the science and study of future signs and trends. self proclaimed Islamic scholars do this very well at the moment guiding their flock. Sikhs scholars used to have this ability in puritan times but no there is no mainstream Sikh person doing it.

Pakistan is a good ripe ground for Sikh sphere of influence if Sikhs play their cards right they can win many converts from the sufi muslim community. Many pakistani muslim families who have ancestry of Sikh heritage are pretty open minded to Sikhi as long as sikhs maintain a love for pakistan they can bring them closer to Sikhi. The pakistani hindu sindhi's are very pro-sikh in their outlook. the pakistani christians are mostly of poorer dalit hindu and sikh ancestry who were forced to convert to christianity to save themselves from musilm mobs in 1947 as they weren't economic rich enough to travel to safety. They too can be guided to become Sikhs.

As for europe the white ethno nationalists will clash with rising islamic demographic sooner or later thats if the muslims do not reform islam and islamic culture to blend into the mainstream european culture as the Jews did centuries ago. Andres breveik the white freemason nationalist terrorist who murdered 70+ people in norway, wrote a manifesto titled 2083 which states how european whites will fight back against the non-whites especially the muslims to win back europe. Everyone thought he is a mass murderer crackhead a nutjob a far right extremist loonie. Yes he is alll that but he is also a forecaster he does have the ability to see how islamic numbers will rise and the inevitable political demands will start more violence will occur and then the eventual civil war fight will start as it happened in the yugoslav balkans war and in serbia with kosovo. Even if a natural clash doesn't happen the rich atheist capitalist elites will want and fund a clash between peoples as it will suit their purposes to blame other people for problems the public face while they secretly rule from above.

Good points. Sikhi could become the next big religion of the world. But we lack the infrastructure and parchaar to do it. 

Our Sikhs would rather just sit and listen to shabads. instead of getting off their backside and onto the streets spreading the faith.

Sikhs really need to be galvanised into a militant force. 

Similar to the Jews. Who are have great scientists building state of the art weapons. Ready to defend their land. 

 

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22 hours ago, AjeetSingh2019 said:

as we say in daily prayer , "Raaj karega khalsa , aaki rahe na koe, Khwaar hoe sab milenge, bache sharan jo hoe"

So currently we're destined to be in khwaari , Don't pack your bags yet for india. I always felt something BIG is just around the corner . And then the 20 as a year and 20s as a decade started with US attacking iran on January 1 , followed by australian bush fires, followed by corona

2020 is an ominous year, and 2020s an ominous decade.

corona is just one cog in this whole hukam. You see how things will turn for ugly worldwide. Already US is saying china will have to pay a price. Worldwide there're conflicts waiting for spark to lit up. Kashmir, Indo-china border dispute, China-US trade dispute, US-Russia arms race, you name it 

 The world is sitting on a barrel  of gunpowder right now. 

maybe sice every major country has some sikhs settled in it , this is part of the 96 crode footprint, Khalsa Raj can only come if we all establish khalsa rehit where we are in the world , Guru ji will give his unlimited blessings to his faithful and help them i this . We need to remove the shackles of 'we don't preach to others ' because that is an Anglo/neoliberal invention to stop parchaar , hindus have been told in their vedas that Guru Nanak Dev ji was coming and that the last Guru ji was mon guru but forever Guru of Kalyug , they were also told that Guru Sahiban were the true guru of this age that they will bring about end of varan and their system of rule . That's why they've been so hardworking to control our spread and to rip off our bheta via 'laws' .

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22 hours ago, Ranjeet01 said:

 

To go back means for a lot of people "starting over", people may move abroad to "start over" but many will feel that the return on the investment will be greater.

Solution: Don't sell your property in Punjab in the first place. If you sell your property in the West, you'll have plenty of money to start a business in Punjab.

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On 4/27/2020 at 1:39 PM, Singh1989 said:

As for Sikhs, first marriage then kids. And we all know how well that lies with our Amritdhari girls... "How far are u educated?" LESSON! BOYS forget how much Nitnem u do GET A DEGREE! Amritdhari girls wanna see yer certificate, not if yer in Rehat! 

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On 4/27/2020 at 11:09 PM, genie said:

 

Pakistan is a good ripe ground for Sikh sphere of influence if Sikhs play their cards right they can win many converts from the sufi muslim community. Many pakistani muslim families who have ancestry of Sikh heritage are pretty open minded to Sikhi as long as sikhs maintain respect for the similarities of islam and a love for pakistan they can bring them closer to Sikhi. The pakistani hindu sindhi's are very pro-sikh in their outlook. the pakistani christians are mostly of poorer dalit hindu and sikh ancestry who were forced to convert to christianity to save themselves from musilm mobs in 1947 as they weren't economic rich enough to travel to safety. They too can be guided to become Sikhs.

. Andres breveik the white freemason nationalist terrorist who murdered 70+ people in norway, wrote a manifesto titled 2083 which states how european whites will fight back against the non-whites especially the muslims to win back europe. Everyone thought he is a mass murderer crackhead a nutjob a far right extremist loonie. Yes he is alll that but he is also a forecaster he does have the ability to see how islamic numbers will rise and the inevitable political demands will start more violence will occur and then the eventual civil war fight will start as it happened in the yugoslav balkans war and in serbia with kosovo.

Pakistan can never be anything other than a country that is good only for Muslims 

I didn’t know that about the Pakistani Christians- where did you read that? 
 

what influenced Breivik? Why 2083 and not sooner? 

 

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