Aum Manter in Sikhi?

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1 hour ago, shastarSingh said:

u r quoting English translation. in jaap sahib guru Sahib says 'oan aad rupe'.

at the starting of chaubis avatar guru Sahib says 'prithme oankaar tin kaha'.

read this

https://www.sikhitothemax.org/ang?source=D&ang=158

yh i just read that part of jaap sahib at yh it says ੳਅੰ ਅਾਦਿ ਰੂਪੇ

not sure why they translate it as Om          ੳਅੰ   the sound of creation/creative energy 

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1 hour ago, MisterrSingh said:

The "day" referred to in Christian scripture isn't a literally day of 24 hours, but a Cosmic Day or a Day of Brahma, which consists of millions of years. That's why Christians get triggered when they try to cram in the story of Creation into 6 human days. The subsequent aversion for evolution stems from this fundamental miscounting of Creation. Those Cosmic Days allowed the cycle of Churasi Lakh to work itself out over the course of hundreds and millions of years. Imagine how relatively primitive those of us who are currently incarnating in human form and making mistakes and generally falling victim to all sorts of frailties. Then imagine the calibre of soul that was the first to incarnate in the human race. No wonder it was Satyuga back then. The scum that passes for human these days were probably dogs and demons as recently as 10 lifetimes ago, lol.

and god says "be" and it was    

but wht do you think of creation of first man adam   vs  darwin ape man? 

[RajKaregaKhalsa1]

1 hour ago, puzzled said:

yh i just read that part of jaap sahib at yh it says ੳਅੰ ਅਾਦਿ ਰੂਪੇ

not sure why they translate it as Om          ੳਅੰ   the sound of creation/creative energy 

possibly influence of Hinduism and lack of understanding.

https://www.sikhitothemax.org/shabad?id=3750&q=AnD&type=0&source=G&highlight=44095

another Shabad about creation

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21 minutes ago, RajKaregaKhalsa1 said:

possibly influence of Hinduism and lack of understanding.

https://www.sikhitothemax.org/shabad?id=3750&q=AnD&type=0&source=G&highlight=44095

another Shabad about creation

I read from sundar gutka app on my phone and even  there its translated as OM    

[MisterrSingh]

2 hours ago, puzzled said:

but wht do you think of creation of first man adam   vs  darwin ape man? 

Perhaps two events millions of years apart?

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34 minutes ago, MisterrSingh said:

Perhaps two events millions of years apart?

i dnno its confusing    evolution is an actual thing  like birds of the same species living on different islands have developed different beaks depending on what fruit/nuts are available on the island they live on. Same with humans   humans of the same ethnicity who live higher up in the Himalayas have different sized nostrils compared to people of the same ethnicity that live at the bottom of the Himalayas.

but this whole ape man becoming human  idnt know   lol 

Bhai Gurdas Jis in his vaarns says Waheguru created humans and that Waheguru made us of 5 elements   i think it was air, water, fire, earth  cant remember the 5th one     It also says that at the beginning there was nothing. 

And if we go by the yugs then Humans also existed in the previous Yugs  like in Treta yug      not sure if humans existed in Satyug. 

Maybe Darwins ape man fits in somewhere there lol 

 

 

[RajKaregaKhalsa1]

2 hours ago, puzzled said:

i dnno its confusing    evolution is an actual thing  like birds of the same species living on different islands have developed different beaks depending on what fruit/nuts are available on the island they live on. Same with humans   humans of the same ethnicity who live higher up in the Himalayas have different sized nostrils compared to people of the same ethnicity that live at the bottom of the Himalayas.

Veer ji, 

This is where they confuse you. There are 2 types of evolution: macro and micro. Macroevolution being speciation - what your talking about the birds and that is observed and proven e.g all the dog breeds.

However micro evolution is like a bacterium becoming a non-bacterium which has not been seen by us. What they do is blur the boundaries between the fact and the theory so we believe all of it to be true even though the latter has weak evidence e.g. where did 200 genes which are only present in humans and not in anything esle come from. How could 100,000 of nucleotides (DNA letters basically) sort themselves into a specific which parts of your cells read and maintain your body? Really it's absurd and an excuse to get away from Vaheguru ji.

This is a good lecture on it exposing the flaws of abiogenesis:

 

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3 minutes ago, RajKaregaKhalsa1 said:

Veer ji, 

This is where they confuse you. There are 2 types of evolution macro and micro. macroevolution being speciation - what your talking about the birds and that is observed and prove e.g all the dog breeds.

However micro evolution is like bacterium becoming a non-bacterium which has not been seen by us. What they do is blur the boundaries between the fact and the theory so believe all of it to be true even though the latter has weak evidence e.g. where did 200 genes which are only present in humans and not in anything esle come from. How could 100,000 of nucleotides (DNA letters basically) sort themselves into a specific which parts of your cells read and maintain your body? Really it's absurd and an excuse to get away from Vaheguru ji themselves.

This is a good lecture on it exposing the flaws of abiogenesis:

 

Thanks I'll watch it    the whole humans coming from a ape just doesn't make sense to me     it just goes against the idea of God creating     and how we experience Sikhi 

[Guest]

In Hindus , two thoughts exist : One that say 'OM' is the primordial unstruck sound of creation, the other say its 'ON' 

confusion also arises as in sanskrit language , the . (dot) above the akhar could variantly mean as 'm' or 'n' . hence some ppl pronounce it as OM and some as ON or ONKAR. 

there's an Onkareshwar temple too.

Dakhni Oankar is very clear on this. the sound is "OAN" (n is half) as in "oh-un" that created everything.

[GurjantGnostic]

I prefer Dasam Granth Ji Bani to Darwin.