mention of Hanuman Natak in Sri Dasam Granth

[shastarSingh]

Hanuman Natak was written by Hirday Raam Bhalla. This granth was gifted to Dasmesh Pita by bhai nand lal ji. Guru jee liked it very much and got it written in Gurmukhi Alphabet.

Guru jee used to keep this granth in His kamarkassa and used to say that whoever will read this granth will become a warrior.

Hanuman Natak is not part of Dasam Granth but is a separate granth and in puratan sampardas, its santhiya is given before giving the santhiya of Dasam Granth Ji.

Guru jee also mentioned Hanuman Natak in the 17th verse of Ram avtar of Dasam Granth.

Kahī nāṭak madh charitra kathā. Jaya dīn suresi nares jathā.17.

The story as to how did the king help Indra secure victory is narrated in the “Hanuman Natak” as well as in (the Guru’s own) “Charitra-Pakhayan”.17. 

Thus the reason why this story is not explained further in Ram avtar of the Dasam Granth Sahib, was that it was explained in the middle of the Hanūmān Nāṭak. 

[Jonny101]

Interesting info. So many ancient scriptures  have now been lost or neglected. Guru ji had many granths translated for the benefit of the Sikhs by his court poets. Within Dasam Granth too we have ignored many compositions. We need to read these in proper context instead of rejecting things with a preconceived mindset. Ramavatar bani is an amazing composition. The Ram that is shown in Rama Avtar is a real Anakhi warrior Kshatriya not like the goody two shoes that is portrayed in Valmiki and Tulsi Das Ramayan who is always folding his hands in front of people. Even the story is different in many parts and does not match. Through the divine knowledge of Guru ji the real story behind the Avtars is given that was previously unknown.

 

[MisterrSingh]

Reading non-Sikh authored accounts of Guru Sahib's lives, in particular concerning those Guru Sahibs who possessed an enthusiasm for literature and poetry, it's strange how our own Sikh commentators and religious figures tend to downplay this aspect. It's almost glossed over at times.

[shastarSingh]

51 minutes ago, Jonny101 said:

Even the story is different in many parts and does not match. 

can u tell a bit more about this?

where the story does not match with previous 2 ramayans?

[Guest]

28 minutes ago, MisterrSingh said:

it's strange how our own Sikh commentators and religious figures tend to downplay this aspect. It's almost glossed over at times

the other side wasn't a saint either. If political hindus accepted identity of sikhism and not as a sect or offshoot of hinduism, no singh sabha or sikhi reform movement would have to throw away all these non-core literature. 

Many political hindus still don't  , they still don't see sikhism as a legitimate religion deserving independence and seek back its unification within hinduism in every sense !! 

[shastarSingh]

Shastar vidiya expert nihang Singhs tell that Hanuman Natak contains information about battle tactics and shastar vidiya paintras.

[Jonny101]

21 hours ago, shastarSingh said:

can u tell a bit more about this?

where the story does not match with previous 2 ramayans?

There are many differences but the ones I can remember are the following.

-To begin with it mentions that Vishnu was given hukam by Akal Purkh to take birth on earth because too many demonic people were causing trouble on earth. But Hindu granths say Vishnu himself is God.

-After Dashrath killed Sravan Kumar, he was given a Shraap by his parents. Hindu version says that after they died Dashrath did Saskaar of their body. But Guru ji says the parents through their Yogic powers had their own body cremated. Dashrath was going to become a Sanyasi but then he heard Akash Vaani saying to him not to become a Sanyasi because he is destined to become a Chakravarti Raja and also a father of an Avtar.

-Hanuman Natak and Ram Charitar Manas says Kaikei helped Dashrath and that is why Dashrath gave her 2 promises he will fulfill in future. But Guru ji says that this is the view of the author of Charitar manas, Hanuman Natak. The real reason was that Dashrath was enchanted by the beauty of Kaikei and he wanted to marry her under any condition. The condition put forth by the father of Kaikei was that her son will become the future king which Dashrath  agreed without thinking what he was agreeing to due to influence of Kaam. When they married Kaikei asked for two promises which Dashrath said he will fulfill when she asks. 

-During the swambar of Sita when Sita first saw Ram, Ram was so handsome and good looking that Sita became unconscious just by the sight of him, this is not mentioned in the Hindu version.

-When Ram picked up the bow of Shiva and broke it, this angered Parshuram who came to kill the person that broke the bow. When Parshuram came Ram was fully ready for battle. He was undaunted by Parshuram and with full conviction answered all of Parshurams questions. Then Parshuram asked him to string his bow to see how strong Ram is. Ram stringed the bow and Parshuram was so impressed  by his attitude  and strength that he hugged him. Hindu version says ram was folding his hands and apologizing in order to calm Pashuram.

-During the war with Ravan, Meghnath(son of Ravan) was so powerful and unbeatable that he beat Ram and even killed him. Ravan brought Sita with him to the scene of battle to show her the dead body of Ram. Sita then recited some Mantra by which miraculously Ram awoke and lived to continue the war the next day. Hindu version does not mention Ram being killed.

-the Hindu version says that Ram banished Sita to the forest when some Dhobi questioned her Charitar. But Guru ji writes that after Sita and Ram spent a blissful time together she became pregnant and she expressed a desire to spend some time alone in a forest to which Ram gave his consent.

-When Luv and Kush were old enough they became unbeatable warriors. When they stopped the Ashvamed horses of Ayodhya that started a war with the Ayodhya army. Ram sent one by one all his brothers along with big armies but Luv Kush beat them and killed them all. A Rakshas army under Vabheeshan was also killed, hanuman was killed. In the end Ram himself was also beaten and killed by Luv Kush. When Sita saw her husband dead she was overwhelmed with grief and was about to kill herself but then a heavenly voice was heard from the sky asking her to do no such thing. She said if she is pure and Sati then her Husband and all those who were killed by Luv Kush should again be given life. The next moment everyone awoke. Ram took Sita home to Ayodhya and lived happily ever after.

Hindu version says that Luv and Kush were singing Ramayan verses. They don't mention that Ram along with his brothers were killed and later revived by an unseen power. Neither do they mention that Sita went back to Ayodhya living a happy life. Instead they say that Sita didn't want to come back and the earth swallowed her leading to her death.

Guru ji writes that his version of Ram Katha is Jug Jug Atal and the one who does Paath of it will stay away from Dukh and Paap.

[Jonny101]

15 hours ago, shastarSingh said:

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Kahī nāṭak madh charitra kathā. Jaya dīn suresi nares jathā.17.

The story as to how did the king help Indra secure victory is narrated in the “Hanuman Natak” as well as in (the Guru’s own) “Charitra-Pakhayan”.17. 

The meaning of this Tukh is not the authentication of Hanuman Natak as truth. Rather it is saying the opposite. The verse previous to previous to that tells the real story of how and why Raja Dashrath married Kaikei. Of how Kaikei's father extorted a promise from Dashrath  that he would marry his daughter on the condition that only her son will become king. When Dashrath newly married Kaikei then she also took a vow from Dashrath that he would fulfill two of her promises because when a man newly marries he will agree to almost anything his wife asks of him. Dashrath being under the influence of Kaam agreed. This is the view of Guru ji of what really happened.

Then Guru ji tells the reader of the version of story contained in Hanuman Natak and Ram Charitar Manas of how a war happened between the Devtas and Rakshas armies. Dashrath helped Inder and during the war Kaikei helped Dashrath and then Dashrath in gratitude gave her two promises he will fulfill in future.

The Hindu version of this event does not want to show Dashrath in bad light by saying he came under the influence of Kaam and vowed to fulfill her two promises. So they came up with a story that Kaikei helped Dashrath during a war and in gratitude Dashrath promised her. Guru jee had divine Gupt knowledge of these things that writers of Hanuman Natak and Ram Charitr Manas did not have.

 

[Jonny101]

5 hours ago, AjeetSingh2019 said:

the other side wasn't a saint either. If political hindus accepted identity of sikhism and not as a sect or offshoot of hinduism, no singh sabha or sikhi reform movement would have to throw away all these non-core literature. 

Many political hindus still don't  , they still don't see sikhism as a legitimate religion deserving independence and seek back its unification within hinduism in every sense !! 

True but discarding scriptures is not the solution. Scriptures are discarded because we don't see them in light of Gurmat and in proper context. We have our version of the story of the Avtars which is different from the Hindu version. Without reading and noting these differences we decided that it must be all the same and discarded Dasam Granth. We have discarded authentic scriptures in Dasam Granth while making the Abrahamic God as Vahiguru. The Abrahamic God is not Vaheguru, rather he is just another Devta like Vishnu or Shiva and gets angered just like them too.

[shastarSingh]

13 hours ago, Jonny101 said:

Then Guru ji tells the reader of the version of story contained in Hanuman Natak and Ram Charitar Manas of how a war happened between the Devtas

veer

why do u say raam charitar manas instead of charitropakhyan which also contains the story?