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1 hour ago, imhosingh said:

Obviously you ain't been to the panjab lately. The biggest growing demographic in Panjab is the Muslims. I've been going since the 80s and the number of green flags going up has increased rapidly. All those Punjabi youth who left for other countries have been replaced with migrant workers who are now settling in the panjab 

Your right I used to see the sufi muslims the only ones I would really notice here and there with a very low profile. You always had malerkot muslims who been always there way before 1947 but were considered passive and friendly to Sikhs but having read up on the role of black cat police criminals how many of them turned out to be government sponsered indian punjabi muslims who killed sikh youths I have a very different view of them now.

And now the last time I went punjab I witnessed large alot of nomad gujjar muslims wandering around freely with their livestook and alot of small masjids due to muslim migrant low caste laborers from UP and Bihar who created their own little mudbrick masjids to pray in usually with the permission of their Sikh farmer employers or illegally without anyone objecting.

Punjabi Sikhs are definitely too soft being socialist and left wing in punjab, the punjabi hindu's are pretty right wing but got no balls to tackle the christian/muslim demographics properly. They Sikhs of punjab need to get right wing get Sikh nationalist and focus their energies on making the environment hostile for abrahamic adherents or convert them at the very least if they dont want a disaster happening in a decade or so to come.

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30 minutes ago, genie said:

Your right I used to see the sufi muslims the only ones I would really notice here and there with a very low profile. You always had malerkot muslims who been always there way before 1947 but were considered passive and friendly to Sikhs but having read up on the role of black cat police criminals how many of them turned out to be government sponsered indian punjabi muslims who killed sikh youths I have a very different view of them now.

And now the last time I went punjab I witnessed large alot of nomad gujjar muslims wandering around freely with their livestook and alot of small masjids due to muslim migrant low caste laborers from UP and Bihar who created their own little mudbrick masjids to pray in usually with the permission of their Sikh farmer employers or illegally without anyone objecting.

Punjabi Sikhs are definitely too soft being socialist and left wing in punjab, the punjabi hindu's are pretty right wing but got no balls to tackle the christian/muslim demographics properly. They Sikhs of punjab need to get right wing get Sikh nationalist and focus their energies on making the environment hostile for abrahamic adherents or convert them at the very least if they dont want a disaster happening in a decade or so to come.

Things are made worse when people like Gurdas Khan, Hans Raj Hans, Satinder Sartaj, Kanwar Grewal, Harshdeep Kaur dress up like muslims and sing Allah Hoo.

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47 minutes ago, ChardikalaUK said:

Things are made worse when people like Gurdas Khan, Hans Raj Hans, Satinder Sartaj, Kanwar Grewal, Harshdeep Kaur dress up like muslims and sing Allah Hoo.

Yeah they don't help matters.

Especially low IQ punjabis making hero's out of and even worshiping the likes of this druggie drunk sufi muslim nutter

https://www.instagram.com/bmsnakodar/?hl=en

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3 hours ago, genie said:

the punjabi hindu's are pretty right wing but got no balls to tackle the christian/muslim demographics properly

I think they do have the balls   but sikhs get in the way and always side with the other people. Rss/shiv sena have been very vilified by sikhs in punjab so whenever there is a clash between rss/shiv sena  sikhs will always take the other side even if the other side is in the wrong.    

Bhamans these days aren't all weak and skinny like how they used to be with their dhotis! Iv seen some young bhaman lads from the pind that are well built go gym and could put up a fight with any sikh jatt lad.  They ain't all skinny and wimpy like they used to be in the past.   Bhamans from the shahrs are more nerdy though.  

Watch  whenever someone decides to drive these Christian's out of pubjab it will most likely be the hindus.  Very unlikely sikhs will drive them out. 

Sikhs see hindus as the big bad guy  and always feel the need to jump in defense of whoever the hindus have beef with. When in reality the abrahamics are a far bigger threat.  This auto set mode od jumping to the defense of whoever hindus have beef with could backfire on sikhs. 

 

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23 minutes ago, puzzled said:

I think they do have the balls   but sikhs get in the way and always side with the other people. Rss/shiv sena have been very vilified by sikhs in punjab so whenever there is a clash between rss/shiv sena  sikhs will always take the other side even if the other side is in the wrong.    

Bhamans these days aren't all weak and skinny like how they used to be with their dhotis! Iv seen some young bhaman lads from the pind that are well built go gym and could put up a fight with any sikh jatt lad.  They ain't all skinny and wimpy like they used to be in the past.   Bhamans from the shahrs are more nerdy though.  

Watch  whenever someone decides to drive these Christian's out of pubjab it will most likely be the hindus.  Very unlikely sikhs will drive them out. 

Sikhs see hindus as the big bad guy  and always feel the need to jump in defense of whoever the hindus have beef with. When in reality the abrahamics are a far bigger threat.  This auto set mode od jumping to the defense of whoever hindus have beef with could backfire on sikhs. 

 

I was gonna raise the example of shiv sena punjab but stopped short cos they are on the fringes of hindu punjabi society not really mainstream. You'll get a few of this shiv sena clowns who would start beef with Indian punjabi muslims (IPM's) for no reason except to exert their power and influence over muslims in india just as pakistani muslims on the other side of the border do to non-muslims. Sikhs should always stay out of the beef its not our business but our clowns always get involved trying to protect the muslims and it is the muslim that doesnt think twice when it comes to killing non-muslims in any religious conflict when they have enough numbers because other muslims will whip them up into a frenzy using verse from quran and hadiths.

A large proportion of hindu punjabi's tolerate and facilitate Muslim demographic rise in punjab by tolerating and venerating and worshipping fringe drunk drag addict sufi muslim weirdos like laddi shah. Alot of the Hindu punjabi girls often get targeted and groomed by muslims for converion and have muslim kids because being so tolerant. They in alot more worse position than Sikhs cos although some of our clowns protect musilms from the hindu extremists our people still know that we wont tolerate them trying to groom or convert our people. The hindu punjabis dont really have the balls to stop that or challenge that especially aboard. I've known more cases of HP girls and even boys converting to islam to marry their muslim partner than Sikhs.

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Having spent the best part of 3 weeks devouring Indian-centric YouTube content of all kinds -- and most importantly, reading the comments underneath the videos -- it seems to me that Modi has instigated a form of super-intense patriotism in the masses that draws on many elements such as a pride and an acknowledgement of the achievements of Indian civilisation/s, which goes hand in hand with a stark denigration, verging on hatred, of historical colonisers such as Britain. I'm actually quite impressed how quickly he's managed it, although that may also be an indictment of the intelligence of the average Indian. It's subtle and cynical demagoguery, but it's very effective. 

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4 minutes ago, MisterrSingh said:

Having spent the best part of 3 weeks devouring Indian-centric YouTube content of all kinds -- and most importantly, reading the comments underneath the videos -- it seems to me that Modi has instigated a form of super-intense patriotism in the masses that draws on many elements such as a pride and an acknowledgement of the achievements of Indian civilisation/s, which goes hand in hand with a stark denigration, verging on hatred, of historical colonisers such as Britain. I'm actually quite impressed how quickly he's managed it, although that may also be an indictment of the intelligence of the average Indian. It's subtle and cynical demagoguery, but it's very effective. 

basically he's using the Fascist playbook as played by Hitler prior to world war 2 , including claiming many nonsense things as Indian firsts such as cosmetic surgery via devtey ... it plays well with nautang watching illiterates who are also capable of destroying solar arrays on the sayso of some pandit because of some perception that they 'offend' the devte... oh vey.

These snivelling RSS types are actually all tin pot hitlers because they feel their own weakness palpably that's why they need to reach in a and steal our heroes for their own agenda ; dimunitizing our existence as their divinely appointed bodyguards ...That our Guru Sahiban only existed to save sanathan Dharam of which they know zero else they would not claim so many silly things .

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17 minutes ago, jkvlondon said:

basically he's using the Fascist playbook as played by Hitler prior to world war 2 , including claiming many nonsense things as Indian firsts such as cosmetic surgery via devtey ... it plays well with nautang watching illiterates who are also capable of destroying solar arrays on the sayso of some pandit because of some perception that they 'offend' the devte... oh vey.

These snivelling RSS types are actually all tin pot hitlers because they feel their own weakness palpably that's why they need to reach in a and steal our heroes for their own agenda ; dimunitizing our existence as their divinely appointed bodyguards ...That our Guru Sahiban only existed to save sanathan Dharam of which they know zero else they would not claim so many silly things .

Maybe I'm biased, but the basis on which Modi "promotes" India and her achievements seems quite flimsy to me. I'm not denying India has some things of which it should be proud, but aside from the surface bluster and hot air, anyone with a little bit of smarts can see it's not as great or as reflective of objective reality as it's been sold to a certain brand of contemporary Indian.

For Sikhs in India, it's highlighted for me that they're kinda trapped figuratively and literally. There'd be more reason for hope if we'd progressed since the 80s, but we've actually regressed on many fronts where it counts, partially as a result of incessant ideological subversion that began the moment they stopped firing bullets at us. 

Before we can look outwards, the first step is to purge the traitors. They've ended up being fed into every nook and cranny of the Sikh establishment. The Sikh organised religion machinery is completely compromised. There is no avoiding it. It's gone.

The moment a Sikh stands up and speaks solely for Sikh issues that don't have any hint of hostility for other communal groups, he's pounced upon, slandered, and silenced. That's not right at all. 

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Right now on national television they're all about we need to get pak occupied Kashmir back.

I have a feeling things will get very worse before they get bad. 

Trust me, the kind of things congress did to us would seem like a play if you came to knew the designs the Hindu nationalists have for us. It's well known to them we're a political orphan right now , and that's why the indian govt also thinks thrice before even shooting one bullet at muslim troublemakers. Like in case of jamaatis alleged of spreading coronavirus and the muslims who threw stones at health workers and doctors who came in their localities for test. 

But you look at their attitude towards Punjab. They don't bat an eyelid before raining bullets at peaceful protestors of bargari protesting desecration of Guru Granth Sahib. The enemy uses our own faces to kill us. How bad can it get ?

The priority of modi govt is ironically now not corona virus, esp with numbers sky rocketing, but rather gettting back kashmir. Indian news channels 24 7 beat the dead horse that is pakistan and other times <banned word filter activated> abt china. When infact India is in no position to tackle China. 

You only have to go through the activities of hindu nationalists on Facebook to see the designs they have for Sikhs. They attack sikhism by saying your gurus worshipped devi devta. Ugardanti bani used to prove guru Gobind Singh was nothing but devi bhakt. They don't say this out of ignorance or love. The agenda is to absorb Sikhs. I have seen the poison in their eyes. 

Trust me when I say this and have no doubt whatsoever, the kind of harm they will inflict on sikhi will make Aurangzeb and abdali seem like mild nuisance and indira gandhi as just another angry aunty next door. They want to reverse back the singh sabha movement and once again establish idols in harmandar sahib. The clergy of harmandar sahb will likely be required to wear a tilak janeu and read Gurbani on one side with devi devta idols being worshipped in adjacent. You will be twisted and morphed into something else beyond recognition.  You might be laughing at this, others will say "I speak all of this with personal vendetta against Hindus" . No bro, not this time. If you still can't see how perilous the situation is , waheguru meher kare. 

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25 minutes ago, AjeetSingh2019 said:

Right now on national television they're all about we need to get pak occupied Kashmir back.

I have a feeling things will get very worse before they get bad. 

Trust me, the kind of things congress did to us would seem like a play if you came to knew the designs the Hindu nationalists have for us. It's well known to them we're a political orphan right now , and that's why the indian govt also thinks thrice before even shooting one bullet at muslim troublemakers. Like in case of jamaatis alleged of spreading coronavirus and the muslims who threw stones at health workers and doctors who came in their localities for test. 

But you look at their attitude towards Punjab. They don't bat an eyelid before raining bullets at peaceful protestors of bargari protesting desecration of Guru Granth Sahib. The enemy uses our own faces to kill us. How bad can it get ?

The priority of modi govt is ironically now not corona virus, esp with numbers sky rocketing, but rather gettting back kashmir. Indian news channels 24 7 beat the dead horse that is pakistan and other times <banned word filter activated> abt china. When infact India is in no position to tackle China. 

You only have to go through the activities of hindu nationalists on Facebook to see the designs they have for Sikhs. They attack sikhism by saying your gurus worshipped devi devta. Ugardanti bani used to prove guru Gobind Singh was nothing but devi bhakt. They don't say this out of ignorance or love. The agenda is to absorb Sikhs. I have seen the poison in their eyes. 

Trust me when I say this and have no doubt whatsoever, the kind of harm they will inflict on sikhi will make Aurangzeb and abdali seem like mild nuisance and indira gandhi as just another angry aunty next door. They want to reverse back the singh sabha movement and once again establish idols in harmandar sahib. The clergy of harmandar sahb will likely be required to wear a tilak janeu and read Gurbani on one side with devi devta idols being worshipped in adjacent. You will be twisted and morphed into something else beyond recognition.  You might be laughing at this, others will say "I speak all of this with personal vendetta against Hindus" . No bro, not this time. If you still can't see how perilous the situation is , waheguru meher kare. 

I think your right about them wanting to take back all of gilgit and kashmir im sure serious plans are underway to invade or provoke something so they can get it back as a pretext i've already mentioned in another thread i think war is coming soon over kashmir.

And I think you're being very paranoid about the hindu nationalists on social media talking crap about Sikhs..... they can do what they like online but in real world they wouldnt dare go there. You may get a few m0rons try their luck but they know not to try push Sikhs towards militancy against them as they want us as allies against muslims and christians.

The most probably crazy thing they would probably attempt is some kinda cloak and daggar sly tactic of encouraging muslims to attack sikhs and vice versea and then hindus joining in with sikhs to attack muslims. The fascist hindutva types see Sikhs as cannon fodder as the sword arm of hinduism to be used against abrahamic invaders. And if we are not doing that job then they feel we are useless and betraying why we were created in first place in their misguided little minds.

The reason why the indian state rains down bullets on our people is because during most of our protests i've seen on video clips there are armed Sikhs wielding kirpans, swords, spears to attack police lines when they are stopped from progressing further up the roads or protesting any more. Yes the police are heavy handed and corrupt and need to be treated in same manor as they treat the protestors but If our Sikhs really want to protest they should either arm themselves with modern firearms to match the authorities in weaponry or go without any arms at all to show the nation and world its unarmed and non-violent protest.

The indian army and police specifically do not target Sikhs for special treatment although to us it may seem that way, we just need to look what they do to kashmiri muslims and what happened to hindu baba's swami godmen followers over the years. They killed 30+ dhera sacha sauda followers few years back when they protested and rioted. They killed a few ashram swami baba's and followers too in different states. The indian system is targeting everyone who raises their voice or challenges their narrative or authority.

In india its who you know not what you know if you got political power or know powerful politicians you can literally get away with murder. As gurbani says first hope is giving up hope for life then come play the game of love. If Sikhs let fear of death hold them back in life they wont progress in life.

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