mahalla 10 found in puratan bir

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[chatanga1]

This was common in the older saroops, however when SGPC standardised SGGS in the 1940s they chose to omit this from the new standard.

[intrigued]

On 6/4/2020 at 1:41 PM, chatanga1 said:

This was common in the older saroops, however when SGPC standardised SGGS in the 1940s they chose to omit this from the new standard.

Why did they omit it? Was it common in the original saroop?

[chatanga1]

On 1/19/2021 at 3:59 PM, intrigued said:

Why did they omit it?

 

When ink printing became more accessible, there was a decision made by SGPC to move away from hand-written saroops which was costly and time-consuming, and employ printing techniques instead. Because obviously the printed saroops would  then be 100% replicas, and the SGPC knowing that there were diffferences between the hand-written saroops (not in terms of bani or numbering etc but spelling mistakes) they decided to proof-read all available saroops and decide on any anomalies between them. The team found some 570 differences between the saroops they perused.

 

The modus operandi was along the lines of how often it featured in the saroops and if it was in a minority it would be omitted, and if it was more even, the team would then discuss the difference and decide whether it should be included or not in the standard saroop.

 

On 1/19/2021 at 3:59 PM, intrigued said:

 Was it common in the original saroop?

The original saroop of Guru Arjan Dev Ji is with the Sodhis at Kartarpur but that would have no bearing on this topic as it was well-before Guru Gobind Singh KJi's time.

 

The Damdami Bir, as well as the 4 saroops of Baba Deep Singh Ji have been lost to history, although there are certain places which claim to hold them. We can only go by the most historical saroops really and of those I have little idea of whether it is contained. Many moons ago my Vidya Guru told me that these two lines were written by Guru Gobind Singh ji.

 

Panjabdigitallibrary holds a lot of puratan saroops of SGGS, I guess it would be a start to browse some of them. Also if you know any places that hold historical saroops you could get them to look.

[intrigued]

1 hour ago, chatanga1 said:

The Damdami Bir, as well as the 4 saroops of Baba Deep Singh Ji have been lost to history, although there are certain places which claim to hold them. We can only go by the most historical saroops really and of those I have little idea of whether it is contained.

Is there any way to determine the age/authenticity of these birs by the age of the material that the gurbani is written on?

[GurjantGnostic]

37 minutes ago, intrigued said:

Is there any way to determine the age/authenticity of these birs by the age of the material that the gurbani is written on?

Yes but good forgeries would be printed on suitably aged textiles. So it could detect fakes but age alone wouldn't validate a Saroop. 

[chatanga1]

1 hour ago, intrigued said:

Is there any way to determine the age/authenticity of these birs by the age of the material that the gurbani is written on?

 

There is the method of carbon dating but for that to happen a piece of the Granth would have to be surrendered which is why many Sikhs are against this. handritten saroops would have the scribes name and the date it was completed sometimes along with the place of completion.