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On 6/2/2020 at 8:42 AM, MisterrSingh said:

Slippery slope. You're well on the road to justifying genocide. I don't care how angry a person is, take that rage out directly on the perpetrators and their institutions. Don't misplace that anger and violence on those who are unable to respond or who are too weak to do so. I cannot believe what I'm reading.

How would you describe the Sikh relationship with police stations historically?

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On 6/2/2020 at 2:52 PM, Ranjeet01 said:

This has been going on for decades, nothing seems to change. 

What begins as legitimate protests turns into looting and burning.

It stops being about the original problem and legitimate grievances and takes on another form.

It becomes more about creating anarchy and less about justice. 

 

It's interesting to note that Bhai Vir Singh in his editions of Bhangu's Panth Prakash removed references to Singhs looting in their conflicts with Mughal authority. 

It looks like our ancestors considered looting a valid tactic against oppressors?

Maybe creating anarchy amongst the domains of perceived oppressors is really about stretching their resources and undermining their authority - as well as an opportunity for material gain?  

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12 minutes ago, dallysingh101 said:

It's interesting to note that Bhai Vir Singh in his editions of Bhangu's Panth Prakash removed references to Singhs looting in their conflicts with Mughal authority. 

It looks like our ancestors considered looting a valid tactic against oppressors?

Maybe creating anarchy amongst the domains of perceived oppressors is really about stretching their resources and undermining their authority - as well as an opportunity for material gain?  

Yes, what goes around comes around.

but I don’t see how the businesses have really deserved the looting in this case. 

if anyone to be looted it should be whoever is directly oppressing the looters 

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1 minute ago, MisterrSingh said:

Exactly. Take it out on the cops. Why target the chai-walas / the small business owners? 

I agree, and these protests have mainly targeted government buildings. There are a multitude of factions involved, not all black by any means, and the human rights movement doesn't lose my support over a starbucks, which is a multinational corp not a cha wala, getting trashed or some multi generational plantation money owned store that's insured getting trashed, especially by a mixed segment of the entire population plus provacateurs. 

Would I bother looting unless I truly needed survival supplies in an apocalypse? No I wouldn't, but it's really another excuse to not have to change the status quo to say looting happened during your protests so your issue isn't valid anymore. 

Common deflections are 

But they looted..

They commit a crime once...

That was a long time ago...

None of which changes the centuries old history and tradition of cultural oppresion, murder, rape, incarceration, bigotry, humiliation that continues strong to this day, perpetrated by a government, it's military and police force upon races of people. We are a constitutional country of law on paper and some of us expect that to be respected and some of us know it's a lie, but either way people have their limits. 

You have racist cops, doing a hack job of even managing to murder someone on camera. They ought to be embarrassed for one. Cops throwing up white power and laughing. You think 400 years of that isn't going to get some stores wrecked in addition to government buildings?

I know people with murdered family members in this country in my community. Police murders that resulted in settlements and gag orders because they did such a poor job of even covering it up. 

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1 hour ago, dallysingh101 said:

It's interesting to note that Bhai Vir Singh in his editions of Bhangu's Panth Prakash removed references to Singhs looting in their conflicts with Mughal authority. 

It looks like our ancestors considered looting a valid tactic against oppressors?

Maybe creating anarchy amongst the domains of perceived oppressors is really about stretching their resources and undermining their authority - as well as an opportunity for material gain?  

You are probably old enough to remember the LA Riots in 1992.

There were Korean stores in these neighbourhoods that were attacked. They were hardly oppressors. The Koreans were on their roofs with guns shooting back.

 This was almost 30 years ago.

I don't see how looting the stores in your neighbourhoods helps with making one less oppressed.

A lot of these black neighbourhoods in LA are now predominantely Hispanic.

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1 hour ago, GurjantGnostic said:

I agree, and these protests have mainly targeted government buildings. There are a multitude of factions involved, not all black by any means, and the human rights movement doesn't lose my support over a starbucks, which is a multinational corp not a cha wala, getting trashed or some multi generational plantation money owned store that's insured getting trashed, especially by a mixed segment of the entire population plus provacateurs. 

Would I bother looting unless I truly needed survival supplies in an apocalypse? No I wouldn't, but it's really another excuse to not have to change the status quo to say looting happened during your protests so your issue isn't valid anymore. 

Common deflections are 

But they looted..

They commit a crime once...

That was a long time ago...

None of which changes the centuries old history and tradition of cultural oppresion, murder, rape, incarceration, bigotry, humiliation that continues strong to this day, perpetrated by a government, it's military and police force upon races of people. We are a constitutional country of law on paper and some of us expect that to be respected and some of us know it's a lie, but either way people have their limits. 

You have racist cops, doing a hack job of even managing to murder someone on camera. They ought to be embarrassed for one. Cops throwing up white power and laughing. You think 400 years of that isn't going to get some stores wrecked in addition to government buildings?

I know people with murdered family members in this country in my community. Police murders that resulted in settlements and gag orders because they did such a poor job of even covering it up. 

What is your opinion on what Larry Elder is saying?

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