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June 1984 Indian Army attack on Darbar Sahib (UK news reports)

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Why did they let her in?   I dnt think there is any other group of people that are besharam enough to welcome and let in the person that ordered the destruction of their holy place. we've been a lost cause for a long time.

 

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24 minutes ago, puzzled said:

Why did they let her in?   I dnt think there is any other group of people that are besharam enough to welcome and let in the person that ordered the destruction of their holy place. we've been a lost cause for a long time.

 

I think it’s because of the concept of how everyone of welcome to any gurudwara. But like u have a point. Why should we let the person who attacked the darbar sahib, massacred many children, and destroyed the akal takht, into the darbar sahib

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2 hours ago, puzzled said:

Why did they let her in?   I dnt think there is any other group of people that are besharam enough to welcome and let in the person that ordered the destruction of their holy place. we've been a lost cause for a long time.

 

And that was during one of our most militant times. We're 10 times worse now.

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2 hours ago, puzzled said:

Why did they let her in?   I dnt think there is any other group of people that are besharam enough to welcome and let in the person that ordered the destruction of their holy place. we've been a lost cause for a long time.

 

Our good old gadar boys from the sgpc and akali dal came to the rescue. The very ones that conspired with the indira congress indian govt to bring in the army while they saved their own lives.

If akali dal wanted to they could have done a bandh of punjab and bring the state to its knee's and force the government to conceed to the demands but they were give incenstives back door sweet heart deals to keep quite and on board the system. So they are part and parcel of the system that oppresses Sikhs. Even hindus get oppressed by the indian state because if hindu's lived according to their own religious teachings and rights they would go against the laws of the indian parliament and so many of their new age guru's and swami's been imprisoned and in jail cos of crimes that are secular but in hinduism would not be considered crimes.

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14 hours ago, genie said:

Our good old gadar boys from the sgpc and akali dal came to the rescue. The very ones that conspired with the indira congress indian govt to bring in the army while they saved their own lives.

If akali dal wanted to they could have done a bandh of punjab and bring the state to its knee's and force the government to conceed to the demands but they were give incenstives back door sweet heart deals to keep quite and on board the system. So they are part and parcel of the system that oppresses Sikhs. Even hindus get oppressed by the indian state because if hindu's lived according to their own religious teachings and rights they would go against the laws of the indian parliament and so many of their new age guru's and swami's been imprisoned and in jail cos of crimes that are secular but in hinduism would not be considered crimes.

How are people supposed to flourish if our "own" are sellouts. 

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On 6/3/2020 at 10:20 PM, puzzled said:

Why did they let her in?   I dnt think there is any other group of people that are besharam enough to welcome and let in the person that ordered the destruction of their holy place.

indira visiting Sri Darbar Sahib to see her results happened when Sri Darbar Sahib was still under the control of the army. There was no issue of giving her any more welcome/permission than was given to abdali, massa ranghar etc.

After OP Blue Star, the army held the complex for around 3 months to get Sri Akal Takht Sahib and other buildings repaired before it was handed over the SGPC. The indian govt needed to hide as much evidence of its acts as possible. indira's visit took place during this time. giani zail singh, her pet rat, visited about 2 or 3 days after the main attack was complete.

 

On 6/4/2020 at 1:02 AM, genie said:

Our good old gadar boys from the sgpc and akali dal came to the rescue.

Don't knock them for each and everything. Akali Dal/SGPC had no power at that time. They were all in army confinement.

 

On 6/4/2020 at 1:02 AM, genie said:

If akali dal wanted to they could have done a bandh of punjab and bring the state to its knee's and force the government to conceed to the demands but they were give incenstives back door sweet heart deals to keep quite and on board the system.

In the days before blue star, the Akali Dal announced, as part of it's morcha, that none of it's members would send grains to the mandis - the market where the government buys its grains from the farmers. Since at that time, Panjab supplied some 75% of india's wheat, it would have virtually destroyed india's balance of trading internationally, since india exports a lot of grains to buy other products it can't manufacture itself.

 

This seemed to be a catalyst because as soon as the announcement was made the govt fearing this mobilised its ravan sena towards Panjab in a matters of datys.

 

Even today, because Panjab govt and to some exent the indian govt still need that produce from sikh farmers, the sikh farmers/Akali Dal can still use it to their leverage if, IF, they had the temerity to do so. You see, just like we in the west like to see our weekly wage, monthly salary in our bank account, the farmers of Panjab want that money for their grains.

If even for 1 year, every village in Panjab, decided to withhold grains from the mandi, or if they grew enough just to feed the whole village, it would cause the state govt immense problems.

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1 hour ago, chatanga1 said:

indira visiting Sri Darbar Sahib to see her results happened when Sri Darbar Sahib was still under the control of the army. There was no issue of giving her any more welcome/permission than was given to abdali, massa ranghar etc.

After OP Blue Star, the army held the complex for around 3 months to get Sri Akal Takht Sahib and other buildings repaired before it was handed over the SGPC. The indian govt needed to hide as much evidence of its acts as possible. indira's visit took place during this time. giani zail singh, her pet rat, visited about 2 or 3 days after the main attack was complete.

 

Don't knock them for each and everything. Akali Dal/SGPC had no power at that time. They were all in army confinement.

 

In the days before blue star, the Akali Dal announced, as part of it's morcha, that none of it's members would send grains to the mandis - the market where the government buys its grains from the farmers. Since at that time, Panjab supplied some 75% of india's wheat, it would have virtually destroyed india's balance of trading internationally, since india exports a lot of grains to buy other products it can't manufacture itself.

 

This seemed to be a catalyst because as soon as the announcement was made the govt fearing this mobilised its ravan sena towards Panjab in a matters of datys.

 

Even today, because Panjab govt and to some exent the indian govt still need that produce from sikh farmers, the sikh farmers/Akali Dal can still use it to their leverage if, IF, they had the temerity to do so. You see, just like we in the west like to see our weekly wage, monthly salary in our bank account, the farmers of Panjab want that money for their grains.

If even for 1 year, every village in Panjab, decided to withhold grains from the mandi, or if they grew enough just to feed the whole village, it would cause the state govt immense problems.

Granted they did a few things for the kaum in mid 60s to late 70s. The akali dal morcha's especially stop the grain agitations were beginning to bite and thats where rajiv gandhi recommended DDT's sant bhindranwale to his mother indira to divide the Sikhs especially the akali's and project him as the militant voice of Sikhs in late 70s. Meanwhile the indian establishment were conducting covert state terrorism attacks throughout punjab via super secret "the third agency" and sant bhindranwale was being blamed and had become the fall guy for what was really being planned.

So i'm not gonna knock all of akali dal however certain agents within the akali dal such as badal, tohra,harchand,etc did sell out to save their own lives. They definitely were dodgy, their roles were complicit if not directly then indirectly inviting the indian army into darbar sahib whether knowingly or unknowingly the deep rooted conspiracy that was already planned by indira's congress against them and the sikhs of punjab.

I'm guessing covert secret R&AW pro-india militants (pretending to be Sikh separatists) scared the akali dal politicians so much that these guys they were convinced something had to be done and they were compelled to bend over and call for help from indira to come to their rescue, just as how she wanted and planned it. Basically everyone got played apart from the establishment elites in power who were pulling strings from above in a very clever deadly chess game.

As the old saying goes in war the first victim is often the truth. As we  uncover and unravel the documents of the past we get a better understanding and clearer view of what was really going on.

 

 

 

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On 6/7/2020 at 8:17 PM, genie said:

The akali dal morcha's especially stop the grain agitations were beginning to bite

The stopping of grain to the mandis never took off. As soon as the announcement was made indira sent the army to Panjab.

 

On 6/7/2020 at 8:17 PM, genie said:

and thats where rajiv gandhi recommended DDT's sant bhindranwale

It was Zail Singh who was tasked with providing a counter-force to Akali Dal. He, according to himself, gave funds and such to the Dal Khalsa. Sant Jarnail Singh only became a serious opposition to Akali Dal from around September 1983 onwards.

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On 6/3/2020 at 5:04 PM, puzzled said:

 

What a <banned word filter activated> KS Brar is 

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On 6/3/2020 at 10:20 PM, puzzled said:

Why did they let her in?   I dnt think there is any other group of people that are besharam enough to welcome and let in the person that ordered the destruction of their holy place. we've been a lost cause for a long time.

 

Jesus this is crazy. What a psychopath she was.

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