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4 hours ago, MisterrSingh said:

We NEED a Sikh country for our long-term survival. But if it's populated exclusively by the likes of Sheikh AkaliFauj, it'll be another third-world 5hit-hole within 5 years.

Very important for EVERY sikh to understand this. We've seen other minority religions disappear or reduce to obsolete, all which lacked a nation state.

Even if it's landlocked with a hundred different problems, it'll still enable our survival. I just hope we as a whole community can see this, irrespective of our religiousness. Coming together and aspiring for it is a good first step. Think long term strategy, instead of pumped up rhetoric. 

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3 minutes ago, Jai Tegang! said:

Very important for EVERY sikh to understand this. We've seen other minority religions disappear or reduce to obsolete, all which lacked a nation state.

Even if it's landlocked with a hundred different problems, it'll still enable our survival. I just hope we as a whole community can see this, irrespective of our religiousness. Coming together and aspiring for it is a good first step. Think long term strategy, instead of pumped up rhetoric. 

I was thinking about this issue yesterday, and I almost blurted out to myself, "Even Somalia have their own country. SOMALIA, for Christ's sake!" ?

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7 hours ago, proactive said:

Interesting view expressed by the Akal Takht Jathedar. I remember when Jasbir Singh Rode was acknowledged as Akal Takht Jathedar in 1988 his only response to the media's question about whether he was for Khalistan was to muddy the waters and say that he was for Pooran Azaadi as if Pooran Azadi was different from Khalistan. This was at a time when the Kharkoos virtually ruled Punjab and the Punjab police was cooped up behind barbed wire and in bunkers. 

https://www.hindustantimes.com/cities/every-sikh-wants-khalistan-will-accept-it-if-government-offers-akal-takht-jathedar/story-GIo3eft11db6YW2K4D4fII.html

 

 

Even though he is a puppet of the indian establishment. He knows that majority of Sikhs support khalistan in one form or another. Any one who wants his community to survive and have a voice in the world would be m0ronic or mad not to want a country to safeguard their community.

5 hours ago, Premi5 said:

I doubt more than 10-20% Sikhs really  want Khalistan

 

https://www.sikh24.com/2020/06/06/uttra-pradesh-saw-40-times-more-violence-related-deaths-in-early-1980s-compared-to-punjab/#.Xtt1A0VKjIU

Uttra Pradesh Saw 40 Times More Violence Related Deaths in Early 1980s Compared to Punjab

By Sikh24 Editors -
 
June 6, 2020
 

CHANDIGARH, Punjab—Some documents have surfaced over social media about the statistics of deaths occurred in Punjab from March-1981 to June-1984 due to violence and the volume of cognizable crimes occurred in all states of India during 1983. The first document was published by the Indian government in ‘White Paper on The Punjab Agitation’.  

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Interestingly, this statistic reveals that only 458 deaths occurred in Punjab from March-1981 to June-1984 as compared to the 17470 deaths due to violence in Uttar Pradesh. 

It means that the deaths occurred in Punjab due to violence were only 2.62% of the total deaths occurred in Uttar Pradesh during this period. 

Out of the total 458 deaths occurred in Punjab due to violence, only 132 Hindus were Hindus while the others were either Sikhs or Nirankari. 

It is contrary to the then Indian government’s claim which started preparations for attacking the holiest Sikh shrine Sri Harmandir Sahib in 1981 while citing a large number of deaths due to violence in Punjab, especially Hindus. 

Another document reveals that the Punjab state was standing second last in terms of the volume of cognizable offenses that occurred in 1983. 

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In 1983, there were only 79.2 cognizable crimes per lakh in Punjab while the Madhya Pradesh was standing first in this concern with 303 cognizable crimes per lakh. 

These documents make it clear that the Sikhs were specifically targeted by the Indian government without any solid reason. The state of Punjab was presented as a violence dominated state under a highly deliberated policy so that the Sikhs could be oppressed by demolishing their holiest Sikh shrine. 

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The punjabi hindu extremists from shiv sena punjab amoung others those who started the whole state movement against Sikhs are agents of the same indian establishment that took part in the lies and propaganda to demonise the Sikhs and their cause for justice and civil rights. 35,000 punjabi hindus murdered is the lie they spread. When government figures themselves shows less than 500 hindus were killed compared to 250,000 Sikhs dissappeared by the state.

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Up until late 80s, Punjab was not that violent indeed. Afterward, it was entirely different. You also have to consider UP has 100s of millions of people.

As per the discussion of Khalistan, if it was given to us right now, it would crumble within a year. We are so far away from even discussing it as a reality. There are 0 logistics in place, and no one to organize these logistics even. As soon as someone did try to organize it, anyone who doesn't agree will label them a "RAW agunt." Khalistan, for now, needs to put on back burner, there needs to be ground work done, we need to build the leaders of tomorrow first. Do we really need a Khalistan that will become an "old boys club" essentially?

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2 hours ago, KhoonKaBadlaKhoon2 said:

Up until late 80s, Punjab was not that violent indeed. Afterward, it was entirely different. You also have to consider UP has 100s of millions of people.

As per the discussion of Khalistan, if it was given to us right now, it would crumble within a year. We are so far away from even discussing it as a reality. There are 0 logistics in place, and no one to organize these logistics even. As soon as someone did try to organize it, anyone who doesn't agree will label them a "RAW agunt." Khalistan, for now, needs to put on back burner, there needs to be ground work done, we need to build the leaders of tomorrow first. Do we really need a Khalistan that will become an "old boys club" essentially?

Depends what kinda khalistan we talking about if its vatican type city state khalistan then its viable and fair easy to implement right now and most Sikhs will be on board on the concept. If we talking about a huge khalistan outside the union of india then theres no chance at the current situation if be some miracle it was able to be created then yes it would collapse into a failed state without any infrastructure and governance sorted out first. The old boys gadar treacherous network would take over just as badals family took over akali dal and sgpc.

So the most viable option of a city state khalistan within the indian union can work for both the indian establishment and for Sikh separatists. This is what they should have gone for in 1948 to 1960s when the akali's were campaigning for punjabi suba movement as we could have had an autonomous Sikh government outside the control of delhi that was able to have its own armed forces, economy, legislate and govern according to Sikhi. It could be created as a brand new city near vast lands with parse population or a small town/city that has the capacity to expand. Benefits would also draw in Sikh and non-sikh tourists from around the world benefiting not only india but khalistan too.

It's outside of the box thinking by brave policy makers and wise politicians that can solve many of historical blunders and past mistakes india has made since its establishment.

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19 hours ago, MisterrSingh said:

We NEED a Sikh country for our long-term survival. But if it's populated exclusively by the likes of Sheikh AkaliFauj, it'll be another third-world 5hit-hole within 5 years.

I have a feeling sooner or later China-Russia will attack India. The stage for it is already being set . India and China are currently in a stand off at himalayan borders , and China being bigger than India both in landmass and economy wants to show New Delhi its place ! 

While we know how arrogant delhi da takht is , so they're now going in arms of US , simply because US is anti-china, but beijing has already warned india that if it wants a peaceful subcontinent and not anarchy , it better stay out of US-china rivalry

Read in between the lines , that's threat hahaha . The same fauj that attacked harmandar sahib on 06 jun 1984 had a meeting with China yesterday on 06 Jun 2020 to plead chinese to go back and not grab inch by inch of indian land

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Old nations usually crumble, regime changes, and newer ones form in aftermath of world wars. Look at Israel. WW2 was a curse for them because of hitler but also a blessing because they got Israel. 

Sikhs will get their nation after WW3. but when the opportunity comes will you be able to seize it , is the question. 

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25 minutes ago, AjeetSingh2019 said:

I have a feeling sooner or later China-Russia will attack India. The stage for it is already being set . India and China are currently in a stand off at himalayan borders , and China being bigger than India both in landmass and economy wants to show New Delhi its place ! 

While we know how arrogant delhi da takht is , so they're now going in arms of US , simply because US is anti-china, but beijing has already warned india that if it wants a peaceful subcontinent and not anarchy , it better stay out of US-china rivalry

Read in between the lines , that's threat hahaha . The same fauj that attacked harmandar sahib on 06 jun 1984 had a meeting with China yesterday on 06 Jun 2020 to plead chinese to go back and not grab inch by inch of indian land

For what reason would Russia join with China to attack India.

 

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1 minute ago, Ranjeet01 said:

For what reason would Russia join with China to attack India.

 

Russia and India were once deep friends. The bonhomie of the 90s is over. Now the relationship is mostly transactional. Russia just wants market to sell its outdated WW2- era millitary technology and that market is India. Russia has in past banned bhagwad gita, the holy book of hindus and indian businessmen are not allowed to excel there by Russians. Putin is fooling India ! 

China and Russia are deep friends now. Xi and Putin have a very exceptional friendship as both say. You can say China and Russia are pretty much married now. While all of european countries and india was against China, Russia hold his hands for Huawei and Russia selected it for 5G in Russia. Now even during covid pandemic , while US led world is lifting fingers at China, Russia slammed US for blaming china without evidence. So China and Russia are indisputable allies and very close ! 

Now here is where it gets tricky. India and Russia are friends . But India and China are frenemies (friend on face and enemy in reality) . Thats why there is standoff between India and China at the moment . And Pak is all weather friend of China

US and China are enemies now because of trade war and such. Anyways China wanted to replace US as world power since long . Its just that their enmity has come out in open now. And US and India has become deep allies now , thats why Modi and Trump has such deep friendship . 

To summarize it : 

China - Russia : DEEP Friendship

China - India : ENEMY

Pak - China  : DEEP friendship

Russia  - India : Friendship

US - CHINA  : ENEMY

US- RUSSIA : ENEMY

now slowly India will lose Russia as it recently lost Nepal to chinese influence . I suspect this is going to happen in a few years from now

Increasingly the world is being polarized on two axis : One led by US  and another led by China/Russia, reminiscent of allies and axis of world wars.

Only a fool would believe the world is not headed to WW3 with these 2 axis who will fight against each other. 

 

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2 minutes ago, AjeetSingh2019 said:

Russia and India were once deep friends. The bonhomie of the 90s is over. Now the relationship is mostly transactional. Russia just wants market to sell its outdated WW2- era millitary technology and that market is India. Russia has in past banned bhagwad gita, the holy book of hindus and indian businessmen are not allowed to excel there by Russians. Putin is fooling India ! 

China and Russia are deep friends now. Xi and Putin have a very exceptional friendship as both say. You can say China and Russia are pretty much married now. While all of european countries and india was against China, Russia hold his hands for Huawei and Russia selected it for 5G in Russia. Now even during covid pandemic , while US led world is lifting fingers at China, Russia slammed US for blaming china without evidence. So China and Russia are indisputable allies and very close ! 

Now here is where it gets tricky. India and Russia are friends . But India and China are frenemies (friend on face and enemy in reality) . Thats why there is standoff between India and China at the moment . And Pak is all weather friend of China

US and China are enemies now because of trade war and such. Anyways China wanted to replace US as world power since long . Its just that their enmity has come out in open now. And US and India has become deep allies now , thats why Modi and Trump has such deep friendship . 

To summarize it : 

China - Russia : DEEP Friendship

China - India : ENEMY

Pak - China  : DEEP friendship

Russia  - India : Friendship

US - CHINA  : ENEMY

US- RUSSIA : ENEMY

now slowly India will lose Russia as it recently lost Nepal to chinese influence . I suspect this is going to happen in a few years from now

Increasingly the world is being polarized on two axis : One led by US  and another led by China/Russia, reminiscent of allies and axis of world wars.

Only a fool would believe the world is not headed to WW3 with these 2 axis who will fight against each other. 

 

I am not too sure about Russia and China having deep friendship though probably have interests that align. 

They have an interest to join forces against US/West particularly in the Middle East (Syria/Iran) and you are correct regarding US reaction to Huawei, so they have common interests. 

Russia has a vastly underpopulated far east and China probably has some eyes on some land grab.

China will want to cut India down to size as they are thinking long term who their competitors would be and that would be India.

They already have "a string of pearls" strategy in the Indian Ocean. They have be-friended the regime in Burma, Sri Lanka. (Helping to build ports and naval bases).

The base in Gwadar in Pakistan has been largely funded by them.

As well as all their investments in Africa.

India's southern and western flank in the Indian Ocean has been completely surrounded. 

The world has been asleep whilst China has been quietly on the rise.

 

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