Statue knocked over

[MisterrSingh]

I vaguely remember reading about how Charles Dickens supposedly wept when he received news about an episode in which the Indians had started a mutiny or an attack that killed British soldiers. I wish I could remember the exact quote, but he apparently wrote in a letter to a friend that the Indians needed to be put down like animals. I've never touched his books since then. Seems wrong. He was a poor imitation of Tolstoy and Dostoevsky, anyway. Here's this guy who championed the cause of the downtrodden and the disenfranchised in Victorian England, yet when it came to the emancipation of similar people but only of another race, he suddenly develops blinders. 

[Ranjeet01]

One country's heroes are another country's villain.

The whites have killed and massacred like every other empire did before them.

They were probably more successful as they learned from previous empires.

The Spanish massacred a lot of native people's in the Americas, but the Spaniards themselves were occupied for nearly 700 years by the muslims and learnt a lot from them.

We find it offensive because it was done to us. And at this moment in time, the whites are the top dogs.

In central asian countries, they have statues of Timur.  Now, Timur massacred and looted people in the subcontinent, maybe we should request the Uzbek govt to take down the statue.

Or if in Punjab, if some decides to put up a Hari Singh Nalwa statue and some Pakistani Pathan or Afghani finds it offensive because during our empire, he burnt down villages to suppress their rebellion.

We want to right a perceived wrong, but all that can happen is you go down a slippery slope. 

 

[GurjantGnostic]

55 minutes ago, Ranjeet01 said:

One country's heroes are another country's villain.

The whites have killed and massacred like every other empire did before them.

They were probably more successful as they learned from previous empires.

The Spanish massacred a lot of native people's in the Americas, but the Spaniards themselves were occupied for nearly 700 years by the muslims and learnt a lot from them.

We find it offensive because it was done to us. And at this moment in time, the whites are the top dogs.

In central asian countries, they have statues of Timur.  Now, Timur massacred and looted people in the subcontinent, maybe we should request the Uzbek govt to take down the statue.

Or if in Punjab, if some decides to put up a Hari Singh Nalwa statue and some Pakistani Pathan or Afghani finds it offensive because during our empire, he burnt down villages to suppress their rebellion.

We want to right a perceived wrong, but all that can happen is you go down a slippery slope. 

 

It's all one empire bro. Passed down and all euro empires are fingers of the same fist. 

Some past empires were incorporated kingdoms really, that's not the same as what whites have done globally. None of these devils compare to the indigenous empires. 

[dallysingh101]

5 hours ago, Ranjeet01 said:

One country's heroes are another country's villain.

The whites have killed and massacred like every other empire did before them.

They were probably more successful as they learned from previous empires.

The Spanish massacred a lot of native people's in the Americas, but the Spaniards themselves were occupied for nearly 700 years by the muslims and learnt a lot from them.

We find it offensive because it was done to us. And at this moment in time, the whites are the top dogs.

In central asian countries, they have statues of Timur.  Now, Timur massacred and looted people in the subcontinent, maybe we should request the Uzbek govt to take down the statue.

Or if in Punjab, if some decides to put up a Hari Singh Nalwa statue and some Pakistani Pathan or Afghani finds it offensive because during our empire, he burnt down villages to suppress their rebellion.

We want to right a perceived wrong, but all that can happen is you go down a slippery slope. 

 

Maybe you're making excuses for them because some of your ancestors decided to side with them and support their agenda? 

[Ranjeet01]

32 minutes ago, dallysingh101 said:

Maybe you're making excuses for them because some of your ancestors decided to side with them and support their agenda? 

Bollox. 

 

[Ranjeet01]

5 hours ago, GurjantGnostic said:

It's all one empire bro. Passed down and all euro empires are fingers of the same fist. 

Some past empires were incorporated kingdoms really, that's not the same as what whites have done globally. None of these devils compare to the indigenous empires. 

The Abassid/Umayadd Empires never incorporate any kingdoms. 

Neither did the Ottomans, nor the Romans.

Some of kingdoms that were incorporated had to pay tribute like in the Persian Empires. The Mughal had vassal kingdoms. 

Past empires were not exactly benevolent. 

The white empires were far more successful and sophisticated in their methods. 

[GurjantGnostic]

8 minutes ago, Ranjeet01 said:

The Abassid/Umayadd Empires never incorporate any kingdoms. 

Neither did the Ottomans, nor the Romans.

Some of kingdoms that were incorporated had to pay tribute like in the Persian Empires. The Mughal had vassal kingdoms. 

Past empires were not exactly benevolent. 

The white empires were far more successful and sophisticated in their methods. 

I was thinking persians and those lost to time. 

[dallysingh101]

39 minutes ago, Ranjeet01 said:

Bollox. 

 

Not bollox, bang on. 

[Ranjeet01]

4 minutes ago, dallysingh101 said:

Not bollox, bang on. 

No.

 

[dallysingh101]

4 minutes ago, Ranjeet01 said:

No.

 

Cool. Just don't forget that your ancestor threw his medals into the river. He did EXACTLY what the people throwing these statues into the river are doing. Distancing themselves from an ugly, subjugated past. You could maybe say he was ahead of his times within his community?