Jump to content
Sign in to follow this  
Tamansingh123

How did the singh sabha movement converted so many hindus and muslims into following sikhi?

Recommended Posts

How did the singh sabha movement converted so many people into sikhi? I have thought abt it various times and have heard from many people that singh sabha movement helped to get many people into sikhi.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Because they started to implement the teachings of the Gurus such as equality among Sikhs and against the hereditary claims of Guruship that many Sodhis and Bedis were making. They also attacked the blurring of boundaries that meant that a Sikh would go to a Mandir and a Sufi shrine without feeling in any way that he was being a hypocrite in going against the teachings of the Gurus. They also understood that many attitudes that had become ingrained into the Sikh population were instrumental in making people move away from Sikhism to other religions. Many Sikh Sardars and landholders kept many Muslim mistresses and the children born to them would invariably be bought up as Muslims as Sikh society did not accept them as legitimate and Muslims were eager to accept them to boost their own numbers. I remember reading about Giani Ditt Singh who bought over 200-300 descendants of a Sikh who had been banished by his village because he had married a Muslim woman and he had had to set up his own village separate from the Sikh village. Over time his descendants were worshippers of Sakhi Sarwar, the Muslim Sufi which was a half way house to Islam. There's no doubt within a few decades these person would have become Muslims and lost to Sikhi forever. Yet the tenacity and the preaching skills of Giani Ditt Singh led to them becoming Sikhs. 

 

  • Like 2

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
27 minutes ago, proactive said:

Yet the tenacity and the preaching skills of Giani Ditt Singh led to them becoming Sikhs. 

I have heard abt giani ji a lil bit in the local gurudwara. And yea one of the problem we as a panth have is that majority of our people dont accept people from diff religion, hence our numbers are this low. Only if we convinced ambedkar to follow sikhi im sure we sikhs would have gotten khalsa raj after 84. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
2 minutes ago, Tamansingh123 said:

I have heard abt giani ji a lil bit in the local gurudwara. And yea one of the problem we as a panth have is that majority of our people dont accept people from diff religion, hence our numbers are this low. Only if we convinced ambedkar to follow sikhi im sure we sikhs would have gotten khalsa raj after 84. 

Rather than looking at the past wishing things had been different, we should use our energy and resources to make up for the mistakes of the past. If you have money to spare and wish to donate, then  donate to organisations that work with Sikhs in need.

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

The problem is that the Sikh religious establishments, the SGPC, DSGMC, the Babas and Nihang Dals have no interest in parchar. The SGPC and DSGMC were set up not just to manage the Gurdwaras but also to spread the message of Sikhism. But today they are all involved in politics and the daswand which should be spent to spread Sikhism is either siphoned off by the Badals or misspent on langars for political rallies for them. Ordinarily in such instances, the people who have genuine pain at the mis-management of the Gurdwaras and the mis-spent Daswand would unite and re-take back the SGPC or at least form counter organisations in order to do the work which the SGPC is unwilling to do until they get a chance to re-take back the SGPC. Bhai Ranjit Singh, the former Jathedar of Akal Takht is actively attempting to unite Panthic minded Sikhs so that when the next SGPC elections happen that the gand of the Badals can be cleansed from the SGPC. 

Until then as individual we should use our intellect in order to discern what in the best interests of the Kaum. Personally if I go to Durbar Sahib I would only matha tek about 100 rupees which should cover the parshad and the langar. Anything more is a waste at this time as it would only go to increase the wealth of the Badals. It feels bad to write this but we have to see the truth and not be influenced by feelings that we might feel that we are somehow disrespecting the Guru by giving so little. We have to understand the system that we are under at the moment, once a decent SGPC committee committed to Sikhi comes into power then we can donate as much we can to them. At present the money that I would ordinarily have put in the golak I donate to organisations that are working to help Sikhs in need. 

If significant numbers of Sikhs follow these actions then it will not be long before the SGPC stops being a cash cow for the Badals. Just recently because of the lockdown in India, the SGPC has been making statements that it is running out of money even after a month of lockdown. This shows just how wasteful and corrupt the organisation is that it did not set aside money to cover emergencies. It shows that money was being corruptly taken as soon as it was put in the golak. 

As I wrote above ordinarily Sikhs should be forming counter organisations to the SGPC to take on the work that it refuses to do and the funds for this should come from us by redirecting our normal contributions to the golak to these organisations. The tragedy is that some organisations which have very little intention to do any work for Sikhs are now trying to seize this trend that many Sikhs are displaying and trying to get these contributions into their hands. Such an organisation is Khalsa Aid. Ravi Singh recently put out a video wanting Sikhs to donate to his charity in order that he can make it a $100 million organisation! He criticised Gurdwaras for hoarding money but the way I look at it, if the Gurdwaras hoard money at least that money is available if ever it is needed but in Ravi Singh view that money should be his and for him to visit exotic locations to spend the money on non-Sikhs. 

  • Like 2

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
43 minutes ago, proactive said:

Because they started to implement the teachings of the Gurus such as equality among Sikhs and against the hereditary claims of Guruship that many Sodhis and Bedis were making. They also attacked the blurring of boundaries that meant that a Sikh would go to a Mandir and a Sufi shrine without feeling in any way that he was being a hypocrite in going against the teachings of the Gurus. They also understood that many attitudes that had become ingrained into the Sikh population were instrumental in making people move away from Sikhism to other religions. Many Sikh Sardars and landholders kept many Muslim mistresses and the children born to them would invariably be bought up as Muslims as Sikh society did not accept them as legitimate and Muslims were eager to accept them to boost their own numbers. I remember reading about Giani Ditt Singh who bought over 200-300 descendants of a Sikh who had been banished by his village because he had married a Muslim woman and he had had to set up his own village separate from the Sikh village. Over time his descendants were worshippers of Sakhi Sarwar, the Muslim Sufi which was a half way house to Islam. There's no doubt within a few decades these person would have become Muslims and lost to Sikhi forever. Yet the tenacity and the preaching skills of Giani Ditt Singh led to them becoming Sikhs. 

 

Can you remember which book this was? The one mentioning Giani Ditt Singh.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
23 minutes ago, DailyMail said:

Can you remember which book this was? The one mentioning Giani Ditt Singh.

I can't remember which book it was, I must have read literally over 500-600 since the 1980s. I will try and find out which book it was. There was also a similar case where a Jat woman from Sarhali in Amritsar district could not have a son and she make a vow at a Sakhi Sarwar shrine that if she had a son the family would become his followers. She had a son and by the time of Giani Ditt Singh the son's descendants had increased to 200 families and although with the general trend among Jats in the district to become Sikhs, these families also became Sikhs but still continued to follow Sakhi Sarwar as well. One of the members of one of these families read Giani Ditt Singh's book Sultan Puara about the hypocrisy of Sikhs following Sakhi Sarwar and he invited Gianiji to visit the village and preach there. All the families stopped following Sakhi Sarwar and became Amritdharis. 

There is a general trend now especially among a few Sikhs educated in the west pursuing PhDs in western universities that the Singh Sabha somehow subverted Sikhism and they try to present the popular and debased form of Sikhism that existed after the annexation of Punjab to the founding of the Singh Sabha as the pure form of Sikhism even though many of the practices were totally against the teachings of the Gurus. There is no doubt the Singh Sabha transformed Sikhism, but was this transformation more in line with the teachings of the Gurus or against the teachings of the Gurus. 

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 hour ago, Tamansingh123 said:

 Only if we convinced ambedkar to follow sikhi im sure we sikhs would have gotten khalsa raj after 84. 

This myth has been dispelled in a recent thread 

 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
2 hours ago, Premi5 said:

This myth has been dispelled in a recent thread 

 

It's a myth that pro-Hindu anti-Sikh activists have latched onto as being a narrative promoted by Sikhs, as well as it being an event that's lamented by us, and these activists are certainly determined to bust this particular myth. 

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Singh Sabha was fortunate to have Brahmgyaanis and sants like Bhai Veer singh and others. Nowadays such spiritually elevated people have apparently gone into hiding :/ 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

If it wasn't for Singh Sabha Sikhs would of merged into Hinduism, they literally saved the panth from dissolving into Hinduism! but in the process some aspects of Sikh culture and tradition were discarded, Dasam bani was sidelined etc  i think they became a bit Hindu-phobic and got rid of anything that was similar to Hinduism.  But i can see why they did that. It was around the time India's Independence struggle was spreading and desh bhakti was rising, Hindu and Muslims were starting to clash etc Guru Gobind Singh ji was being shown as a desh bhakt and compared to shivaji maratha, Hindus were trying to merge Sikhs into Hinduism probably to counter the Muslim and Christian influence in Punjab at the time?  Then there was Arya Samaj, It was a very complicated time a lot was going on. 

I'v read they got Sikhs that had converted to Christianity back into Sikhi again. 

I find the the 1920s, 30s 40s in India a interesting period. 

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
13 hours ago, Tamansingh123 said:

I have heard abt giani ji a lil bit in the local gurudwara. And yea one of the problem we as a panth have is that majority of our people dont accept people from diff religion, hence our numbers are this low. Only if we convinced ambedkar to follow sikhi im sure we sikhs would have gotten khalsa raj after 84. 

That Ambedkar story is a big myth. He coverted to Buddhism and very few Hindu Dalits followed him into doing the same.

The overwhelming majority are still Hindus. If he became a Sikh the Dalits would still have remained Hindus.

It's time we stopped peddling this myth, it only makes us look dumb and desperate.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
2 hours ago, ChardikalaUK said:

That Ambedkar story is a big myth. He coverted to Buddhism and very few Hindu Dalits followed him into doing the same.

The overwhelming majority are still Hindus. If he became a Sikh the Dalits would still have remained Hindus.

It's time we stopped peddling this myth, it only makes us look dumb and desperate.

agreed it is better we look after those mazhabi sikhs that did become gursikhs and the sikhligars because they are actual sikhs who are our bretheren for sure , if we support them others will see that there is an advantage to becoming a sikh like one of the english commentators  put it , the depised and ostracised untouchable upon taking the guru's amrit returns to his village triumphantly as a well-respected sardar . I agree we need to continue the work of the Singh Sabha by supporting them against the increasing prejudices creeping in from stupid jats and 'high caste' punjabi bheki sikhs, preventing the predation of our poor brothers and sisters by dhongi babey and missionaries.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
13 hours ago, puzzled said:

If it wasn't for Singh Sabha Sikhs would of merged into Hinduism, they literally saved the panth from dissolving into Hinduism!

people who diss singh sabha need to understand this 

  • Like 2

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

Loading...
Sign in to follow this  



  • Topics

  • Posts

    • Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh ji. Upon seeing a forum, I decided to get the sangat opinion too. I myself am a teen. I am 15. I love to go to gurdwara camps because you get a lot a laha and you get to learn how to be a better person. I am speaking about youths in my country Malaysia. When I go to camps, I speak to many people. They all become my friend. I am not sure of the male gender tho but I have a few guys and girls asking me if I am single or if I have a crush on someone or if I would like to be in a relationship. I always say to them that I am not here to find a partner and I am very very opposed with this type of thinking. I don't like it at all when I got to camps, only to find out the youth are interested in all nonsense about boyfriend and girlfriend and crush etc. 🤦 There some amazing souls too that I meet during these camps. Some youth like me also do sewa and come to camp to build a stronger relationship with guru maharaj. I am very blessed to have met these type of youth too. Probably I have matured thinking. I don't know but sometimes it's upsetting that it's very rare I get the true sangat from going to camps. For an instance, in a camp I would have to mix around people my age ( in the teens) and I can't be sitting around people with the age of 20's above. It would look really odd. But maharaj does his kirpa and I always prefer sitting in the darbar rather than anywhere else because no one can disturb me there and many people avoid talking rubish in the darbar sahib because guru maharaj is watching them.what they don't realise is guru maharaj sees them everywhere, in the Langar hall or in the park. Writing this I have made a lot of mistakes, I am not good,no one is bad. Please forgive me sangat and teach me so that I can be a better person.     
    • Yeah, during this days, i have been closer to my elder sister as she always guides me how to tie a dastaar and she always invites me to rehraas sahib together. Eventough I am a little introvert, maharaj definitely will do his kirpa. Now I am wondering,how did my sister walk through the path because she was the first one in my family to be blessed with amrit. It must be really hard for her. It's easy for me tho thanks to maharaj. Anyways,thank you dear sangat for your advice and support. Maharaj always bless true sangat like you phena ji.
    • Same bro. I find the concept of mermaids really interesting. I find the unknown in general interesting.
    • little sis , why don't you talk to your sister , obviously she has travelled the path you are facing  and will be able to support you in terms of how to let folks know . daily challenges etc. When Guru ji has placed you at the foot of the path, lean on him to help you stay strong . Do your building up of naam abhiyaas and amritvela, slow and steady so it becomes second nature , the time for amrit will be reached so quickly you will be surprised. Stay in chardhikala always
    • Sikhi was the biggest rebellion against the caste system.  "Sikhs" from a certain caste are the biggest fans of the caste system and will do whatever it takes to promote/propagate it.      
×
×
  • Create New...

Important Information

Terms of Use