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Missing Sikh women in East London - keep eyes open

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2 hours ago, puzzled said:

Lol say it   No one is biting their tongue about this case lmao   

She just disappeared one day and came back home the next lol 

I'm no Columbo but...

"...white and grey gym leggings..."

"...her normal daily walk..."

"...East London..."

Call me old-fashioned, but I'm guessing either her dad's dead or he's a f***** b****** if he's okay with his daughter going out for a "walk" in a part of the country that is notorious for being a hotbed of Bangla and Pakistani activity, innocuous or otherwise.

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6 minutes ago, MisterrSingh said:

I'm no Columbo but...

"...white and grey gym leggings..."

"...her normal daily walk..."

"...East London..."

Call me old-fashioned, but I'm guessing either her dad's dead or he's a f***** b****** if he's okay with his daughter going out for a "walk" in a part of the country that is notorious for being a hotbed of Bangla and Pakistani activity, innocuous or otherwise.

Dad is alive and well...

She is 23 years old...👀😶

 

 

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1 hour ago, Kau89r8 said:

Ok i've been told that this is fake rumor that it had nothing to do with grooming by usual 'suspect'.., no involvements with boys, she doesnt do drugs alcohol, she does paah everday and is good girl and that she been 'depressed' due to the lockdown and was fedup at home...my mum told me this because her parents called radio station this morning to mention shes safe and returned..

Initially when i saw this, i myself thought immediately the location she lives, convinced to do with having a non-Sikh bf...and you can guess the rest 

 

 

1 hour ago, Kau89r8 said:

Reading the comments on IG by Sikhyouthuk ...they're saying she ran away with a 'guy' that parents didn't approve off and came back she was 'scared' and bf was 'threaten'....

Curious to find out what type of 'bf' was this?? 

 

Seems to be two contradictory perspectives here???

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50 minutes ago, dallysingh101 said:

I think also, young males are realising that they don't have to marry within and still can carry on their culture/dharam too. 

Yeah but what does culture and dharam mean to the vast majority of younger people? "culture" is watching britasia tv, while "dharam" is attending a akand paat. Then what will these people pass down to their kids?

For the vast majority cultural sikhs, sikhi is just a tradition its not a practice and they are passing down a even more watered down version of this tradition to their kids. What we are seeing is the end for majority of families that are associated to sikhi by tradition. Once the uncle/auntie generation are dead and gone then that will be it for the vast majority of punjabi families!    

In the next 60 or 70 years i can see Sikhi and Sikh culture being limited to a smaller more tight knit community, the vast majority will assimilate into the locals.

in fact its already happening ...

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1 minute ago, puzzled said:

Yeah but what does culture and dharam mean to the vast majority of younger people? "culture" is watching britasia tv, while "dharam" is attending a akand paat. Then what will these people pass down to their kids?

For the vast majority cultural sikhs, sikhi is just a tradition its not a practice and they are passing down a even more watered down version of this tradition to their kids. What we are seeing is the end for majority of families that are associated to sikhi by tradition. Once the uncle/auntie generation are dead and gone then that will be it for the vast majority of punjabi families!    

In the next 60 or 70 years i can see Sikhi and Sikh culture being limited to a smaller more tight knit community, the vast majority will assimilate into the locals.

in fact its already happening ...

Yeah, but with the weakening of Panjabi 'cultural' factors, we might also get to a position where we actually start to explore and promote the dharam with less of the contradictory cultural baggage? 

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1 minute ago, dallysingh101 said:

I think they are Radho Soami? 

interesting..

Well they been dragged of how public they made it and now they want keep 'private'...Look at the messages on social media ...made right laughing stock out it...

Glad shes alive and well...but we're all thinking the same 👀😶...

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2 minutes ago, Kau89r8 said:

interesting..

Well they been dragged of how public they made it and now they want keep 'private'...Look at the messages on social media ...made right laughing stock out it...

Glad shes alive and well...but we're all thinking the same 👀😶...

What's social media saying? I'm not on it? 

 

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Well, glad she's home. I hope the family can use this situation as an opportunity to introspect. I won't hold my breath.

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4 minutes ago, dallysingh101 said:

What's social media saying? I'm not on it? 

 

Guess...hint hint.....'halal'

 

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21 minutes ago, MisterrSingh said:

"...her normal daily walk..."

see back when i was in school it was "i'm going to the library" 😁    but i think parents clocked that one out, perhaps the daily walk/jogging is the new one lol

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12 minutes ago, dallysingh101 said:

Yeah, but with the weakening of Panjabi 'cultural' factors, we might also get to a position where we actually start to explore and promote the dharam with less of the contradictory cultural baggage? 

i think its too late for that. just how culture has weakened, dharam, or whatever little dharam there was in the first place has weakened as well. Sikhi is just a tradition for the vast majority and traditions change. Culture gave traditional morals and values, dress modestly, don't sleep around, don't argue will elders etc thats what our parents taught us growing up right, but now that has vanished. Tradition cultural values were hand in hand with Sikhi. Both have collapsed. 

I mean there a females on social media talking about doing squats on top of their partners erect pen1s, with 100s of likes, how are are you supposed to promote dharam to this kind and what type of dharam will they pass down to their kids?  I quick look on Instagram and you will see the majority of Punjabis drinking, in sexual position and wearing next to nothing. Vast majority of Punjabis have 0 interest in Sikhi, i mean why would they? they never were Sikhs in the first place.

Just an example, one of my friends back in the days was a punjabi female who didnt know a word of punjabi and she was an atheist while her brother had a baby before marrige with a white girl and gave the kid a english name and moved in with his gf. What "dharam" will they pass onto their kids?  This is happening in many Punjabi families, and will continue happening.

It really is too late for the vast majority of cultural Sikhs. The state they are in is deplorable 

Traditional values and Sikhi came hand in hand with Sikhs in the UK. How is one supposed to understand Sikhi if they have no moral structure or tradition values? In my last work place a Punjabi female was talking about b00b jobs, this talk is the norm for a lot of young Punjabis.

Look what happened to Christianity in this country after post war liberal attitudes. 

It is the uncle/auntie generation keeping this lot tied ti some kind of Sikh practice, one they are gone that that will be it! 

 

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29 minutes ago, puzzled said:

i think its too late for that. just how culture has weakened, dharam, or whatever little dharam there was in the first place has weakened as well. Sikhi is just a tradition for the vast majority and traditions change. Culture gave traditional morals and values, dress modestly, don't sleep around, don't argue will elders etc thats what our parents taught us growing up right, but now that has vanished. Tradition cultural values were hand in hand with Sikhi. Both have collapsed. 

I mean there a females on social media talking about doing squats on top of their partners erect pen1s, with 100s of likes, how are are you supposed to promote dharam to this kind and what type of dharam will they pass down to their kids?  I quick look on Instagram and you will see the majority of Punjabis drinking, in sexual position and wearing next to nothing. Vast majority of Punjabis have 0 interest in Sikhi, i mean why would they? they never were Sikhs in the first place.

Just an example, one of my friends back in the days was a punjabi female who didnt know a word of punjabi and she was an atheist while her brother had a baby before marrige with a white girl and gave the kid a english name and moved in with his gf. What "dharam" will they pass onto their kids?  This is happening in many Punjabi families, and will continue happening.

It really is too late for the vast majority of cultural Sikhs. The state they are in is deplorable 

Traditional values and Sikhi came hand in hand with Sikhs in the UK. How is one supposed to understand Sikhi if they have no moral structure or tradition values? In my last work place a Punjabi female was talking about b00b jobs, this talk is the norm for a lot of young Punjabis.

Look what happened to Christianity in this country after post war liberal attitudes. 

It is the uncle/auntie generation keeping this lot tied ti some kind of Sikh practice, one they are gone that that will be it! 

 

There is a theory that when the religion is weak in it's country of origin it will weaken every where else. When India was occupied by Muslim invaders and Hindus were brutalised by them for 800 years. This weakened Hinduism outside of India in places like Indonesia and Malaysia which eventually left Hindu Dharm for good and today they are Muslim.

Same thing had occurred with the Sikhs after the fall of the Sikh empire. Sikhs were dissolving into Hinduism but thanks to Singh Sabha movement it was delayed because Singh Sabha movement permanently etched paranoia of Hinduism in the Sikh psyche which has saved us.

Today our situation is that we are still a stateless people. But this time instead of Hinduism we are in danger of being dissolved in western cultural norms, western atheism and western universalism. Situation is the same but we now have a new opponent that we need to be aware of.

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46 minutes ago, puzzled said:

i think its too late for that. just how culture has weakened, dharam, or whatever little dharam there was in the first place has weakened as well. Sikhi is just a tradition for the vast majority and traditions change. Culture gave traditional morals and values, dress modestly, don't sleep around, don't argue will elders etc thats what our parents taught us growing up right, but now that has vanished. Tradition cultural values were hand in hand with Sikhi. Both have collapsed. 

I mean there a females on social media talking about doing squats on top of their partners erect pen1s, with 100s of likes, how are are you supposed to promote dharam to this kind and what type of dharam will they pass down to their kids?  I quick look on Instagram and you will see the majority of Punjabis drinking, in sexual position and wearing next to nothing. Vast majority of Punjabis have 0 interest in Sikhi, i mean why would they? they never were Sikhs in the first place.

Just an example, one of my friends back in the days was a punjabi female who didnt know a word of punjabi and she was an atheist while her brother had a baby before marrige with a white girl and gave the kid a english name and moved in with his gf. What "dharam" will they pass onto their kids?  This is happening in many Punjabi families, and will continue happening.

It really is too late for the vast majority of cultural Sikhs. The state they are in is deplorable 

Traditional values and Sikhi came hand in hand with Sikhs in the UK. How is one supposed to understand Sikhi if they have no moral structure or tradition values? In my last work place a Punjabi female was talking about b00b jobs, this talk is the norm for a lot of young Punjabis.

Look what happened to Christianity in this country after post war liberal attitudes. 

It is the uncle/auntie generation keeping this lot tied ti some kind of Sikh practice, one they are gone that that will be it! 

 

I think we've been written off too many times only to survive. Yeah sure, things might not be the same as before, but that is inevitable anyway. I think pessimism or a defeatist attitude will only increase the chances of what you are suggesting happening. 

What I believe will salvage things (in a big way) is a small group of intelligent, questioning, reflective khoji Sikhs who will set trends and reinvigorate the dharam. We've had such contradictory messages sent to the youth for so long with this hotchpotch of what on the surface looks like the dharam  but is really a mixture of colonial era manipulation and older (usually caste based) cultural practices which have a lot of negatives as well as positives. Once we start to explore, present and practice (as a society)the dharam without the hypocrisy, it will blossom.  

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17 minutes ago, Jonny101 said:

Today our situation is that we are still a stateless people. But this time instead of Hinduism we are in danger of being dissolved in western cultural norms, western atheism and western universalism. Situation is the same but we now have a new opponent that we need to be aware of.

Do you think its possible where westernized, liberal individuals the sort that get posted about on here, would ever see value in Sikh traditions and practices? and somehow   revert 

In most cases once you go western/liberal then there is not going back! 

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