Istanbul's Hagia Sophia museum to be converted to Mosque!

[GurjantGnostic]

@MuslimNeighbour All the answers you seek are waiting to be answered for you in the Guru Granth Sahib Ji. 

[Jonny101]

David Wood has made some excellent points here about this issue. 

Muslims have lost the moral argument after today. Erdegan has proven that when Islamists are in a position of power they will abuse that position. They lost the right to complain about Ram Mandir that will be re built at Ayodhya by Hindus or when the Jews will eventually rebuild their temple at the site of Al Aqsa. Muslims have shot themselves in the foot on this one.

[Harditsingh]

2 hours ago, Jonny101 said:

David Wood has made some excellent points here about this issue. 

Muslims have lost the moral argument after today. Erdegan has proven that when Islamists are in a position of power they will abuse that position. They lost the right to complain about Ram Mandir that will be re built at Ayodhya by Hindus or when the Jews will eventually rebuild their temple at the site of Al Aqsa. Muslims have shot themselves in the foot on this one.

gonna take the opposite side here and say the following; This is not comparable to the Jerusalem thing because the majority of citizens in Turkey support this and don't see it as wrong. The Mosque was first a church then became a mosque then museum and mosque again. In Jerusalem the situation is that one side of population is for it the other side is against and the area of dispute is still being used by both groups.

In Turkey there is no worshippers to use it as a church no one is being oppressed if its turned into a mosque. but in Jerusalem people will be oppresed and in india with the ram mandir ppl were oppressed 

[Kau89r8]

2 minutes ago, Harditsingh said:

gonna take the opposite side here and say the following; This is not comparable to the Jerusalem thing because the majority of citizens in Turkey support this and don't see it as wrong. The Mosque was first a church then became a mosque then museum and mosque again. In Jerusalem the situation is that one side of population is for it the other side is against and the area of dispute is still being used by both groups.

In Turkey there is no worshippers to use it as a church no one is being oppressed if its turned into a mosque. but in Jerusalem people will be oppresed and in india with the ram mandir ppl were oppressed 

Yes because majority Turkey are followers Islam and the other minority have been booted and remain tiny population..what voice are they gonna have lol..They still deny the Armenia genocide, and Erdogan is a Islamic fanatic. Look at what they've doing to the Kurds. How many religions that came before Islam have been wiped out destroyed by them

The word 'oppressed' get thrown around, same way call everyone 'Hitler'. Context matters.. If Muslims are 'oppressed' in India and other country..and despite how many Islamic country there are, the tiny remaining 'Kafirs' are oppressed in their Muslim country.

Either way, as for Sikhs, we are the ONLY religion without homeland. Shouldn't act surprised what Muslims pull out or Hindus...stay away from all dont get caught up with India / Pakistan stop pandering to them. 

 

[Kau89r8]

9 hours ago, dharamyudh said:

Khalsa ji, we might as well sound the Nagara. This is over.

 

Must be living in the twilight zone to think any of us wants to be part of Islam history or Hindustan loool. He might watching to many Bollywood or Punjabi films so be this delusional. 

Agree its over! WJKK WJKF

[Tamansingh123]

3 hours ago, Kau89r8 said:

Either way, as for Sikhs, we are the ONLY religion without homeland

Bahais dont have a homeland either, but they havent faced as much persecution as us

[Kau89r8]

On 7/12/2020 at 5:25 AM, Jonny101 said:

David Wood has made some excellent points here about this issue. 

Muslims have lost the moral argument after today. Erdegan has proven that when Islamists are in a position of power they will abuse that position. They lost the right to complain about Ram Mandir that will be re built at Ayodhya by Hindus or when the Jews will eventually rebuild their temple at the site of Al Aqsa. Muslims have shot themselves in the foot on this one.

 

[chatanga1]

On 7/11/2020 at 6:36 PM, MuslimNeighbour said:

Bunch of Sikhs butthurt over Turkey's decision, no doubt your Hindu brethren are also. Work on keeping the Golden Temple a Sikh building before your short haired counterparts claim that. A little history.

Howdy neighbour!

 

It's nothing personal against Turkey or Islam/Muslims. Sikhs have always respected holy places of other religions. In East Panjab there are many villages bereft of muslims where mosques are still kept clean by the villagers, my nanke being one such village.

 

A little history ? Yes please. The short haired ones DID take over the Golden Temple. There was muslim called massa ranghar who took over the Golden Temple. Two Sikhs killed him right there in the temple.

 

On 7/11/2020 at 7:24 PM, MuslimNeighbour said:

You mean like Ranjit using the Badshahi Mosque as a horse stable and space to keep ammunition and his son using the minarets to bombard the Lahore fort, on top of banning the Azaan of course.

 

Maharaja Ranjit Singh gifted khillats to the custodians of Badshahi Mosque on each and every Eid. It's a lie that Maharaja Sahib used this mosque for horse stables. As for the azaan, it was not banned in Lahore, but in places like Peshawar, Bannu etc. There was no real reason for doing this but only to impress on the pathans that they were no longer masters of that land.

 

Let's go back to your previous post above. The short haired ones, Muslims, after taking over the Golden Temple used it to host dancing girls and such whilst consuming tobacco.

I'm sure that Maharaja Sahib has never, and you are welcome to produce any evidence, consumed pork in any mosque, or entertained dancing girls there.

 

 

On 7/11/2020 at 7:32 PM, MuslimNeighbour said:

Because Ranjit's pathetic 'Empire' only lasted 50 years.

 

Are Empires measuered on their timeline or the effect of their acheivements?

My dear neighbour, the land that you call NWFP, or Suba Sarhad, is part of your country because, and only because of Maharaja Ranjit Singh. No-one else.

So whilst Maharaja's empire was only a measly 50 years in time, the effects of such an empire are still shaping the world today, 200 years later.

[chatanga1]

On 7/11/2020 at 8:40 PM, MuslimNeighbour said:

 

Of course in your version of Sikh history you were complete and utter Angels, never forced anybody to convert,

Dear neighbour, you have correctly stated that 2 of the Sikh Guru were murdered by the Moghals. Do you know why the second of these was murdered? I will help you, as its good to help neighbours. Guru Tegh Bahadur was murdered because he stood up for the freedom of all religions.

You read that correctly yes? If the Guru was prepared to give his life to uphold the freedom of hindus and others to practise their religion freely, no Sikh is going to go against this and force others to convert.

If anybody has stated on this forum that such conversions have taken place they are mistaken.

 

 

On 7/11/2020 at 8:40 PM, MuslimNeighbour said:

 If anything Sikhs forcing others to convert makes sense since people don't convert to Sikhi other than the odd token here or there so what magical words were being said the past 500 years that made your population in to the millions and all of a sudden there's a halt to that growth... as we know it certainly wasn't a convincing argument.

 

There hasn't been a halt to that growth. We can equally say the same for Islam, or Christianity. The numbers are still growing. On all sides.

 

[Jonny101]

7 hours ago, Harditsingh said:

gonna take the opposite side here and say the following; This is not comparable to the Jerusalem thing because the majority of citizens in Turkey support this and don't see it as wrong. The Mosque was first a church then became a mosque then museum and mosque again. In Jerusalem the situation is that one side of population is for it the other side is against and the area of dispute is still being used by both groups.

In Turkey there is no worshippers to use it as a church no one is being oppressed if its turned into a mosque. but in Jerusalem people will be oppresed and in india with the ram mandir ppl were oppressed 

Hagia Sophia is not just any building. It's the most iconic church in history. It's very fall to the Ottomans marked the end of the Byzantine empire and a symbolic defeat of Christianity to Islam. Even if there are barely any Christians left is Turkey doesn't matter. If there are no Sikhs left in Pakistan does that mean Nankana Sahib and Panja Sahib should be turned into a mosque if the majority muslims want it? What is wrong is wrong. That is why Christians all over the world are condemning this recent decision. And it is also worrisome for other non Muslims since Erdogan has set a new precedent in modern times.

When the Taliban blew up the Bamiyan Buddha statues the world condemned it but it was explained away as being done by the Taliban who are a fringe fundamentalist backward  group. But Erdogan is a well educated man and Turkey is a modern European country. If they can do something like this, it will give encouragement to Muslims all over the world to follow this example.