Predatory Christianity destroying Punjab and Sikhi

[Kaurr]

14 hours ago, Kau89r8 said:

 

 

 

 

lol. so much for pakistan being an islamic country

[Koi]

7 hours ago, MuslimNeighbour said:

As per usual not addressing my points but blabbering on. I must admit it is quite a sight seeing a powerful confident Kaur in a skirt and low cut top with no arms walking alongside her husband with his long beard and turban. As I said before you were ahead of the curve and paved the way for many Kaurs, be proud of yourself.

Also lol at you talking about Aramaic writings and the New Testament like you know anything. It is as reliable as the mainstream media.

Your comment about the reliability of the New Testament intrigues me. What about the reliability of the Quran? Do you honestly believe that it hasn't been changed? If you like, we can open up another thread and discuss it further, as I'd rather not derail this thread (though by the looks of things, it already has).

No insults, no mud slinging, just pure facts on the authenticity of the Quran. What do you say? I look forward to your response...

[chatanga1]

16 hours ago, MuslimNeighbour said:

Aww you want more men to be in hell

Hell? Hmmm, not sure how to answer that as Sikhs don't believe in hell or heaven as permanent constructs. We see them more as trying to scare people into beleiving. You know, like detention in school if you were naughty?

 

16 hours ago, MuslimNeighbour said:

even 50/50 split

Doesn't work neighbour. You SHOULD know that.

 

After all didn't the "best amongst men" the rasool of Allah, Prophet of Islam, Mohammad PBUH divide his time equally amongst his wives and then break that? Didn't the Prophet of Islam, the "best amongst men" aslo direct his wife to her father's house so he could then give one-to-one revelations to her slave girl?

Please note neighbour, I never said anything about an even split. Just quoting your own scriptures and sunnah to you.

 

16 hours ago, MuslimNeighbour said:

Come back to me when Sikh women are leaders in the Sangat/religous affairs.

Women can do kirtan, katha, dhadi waran, paath and ardas in sangat. Just like men.

Women are allowed to become members of the Gurdwara Management System.

In your mosque women have to pray behind a screen.

Are women allowed to read prayers for the muslim sangat in the mosque?

Are women allowed to run Mosques?

I've never seen or heard of 1 female Qazi, Mullah, Mufti or Imam. Why?

 

16 hours ago, MuslimNeighbour said:

Need some more women in the Panj Pyare I say

No we don't. In all of Sikhi, this is the only place where women don't take part.

Need some more women in the Panj Pyare I say

 

16 hours ago, MuslimNeighbour said:

Divorce doesn't even exist in your religion

Neither does circumcision. So what?

The concept of family is very important in Gurmat. Family life/houselholder is the highest form of living. Why would we want divorce thrown in there, when we can see how destructive divorce is? Divorce ruins families, causes suicides, causes depression.

 

16 hours ago, MuslimNeighbour said:

but hey luckily Kaurs can disobey their religion and ask for divorce since no country is run by Sikh laws or lack there of.

Sikh laws? Our basic laws are Naam Japna, Kirt karni and Wand shakna. We don't need laws to connect us with our Creator, the way you need to be told to out your right foot into a trouser leg first, or else astaghfirullah! Allah will consign you to the lowest hell.

Make sure you get that right foot in first neighbour. Or else you may end up in the wrong part of the 50.

16 hours ago, MuslimNeighbour said:

As I said before you were ahead of the curve and paved the way for many Kaurs, be proud of yourself.

Well the "most perfect example of mankind" the holy prophet of islam Mohammad PBUH did get his son to divorce his wife, so he could marry her himself. Mohammad PBUH was ahead of the curve there wasn't he. Hopefully you will also divorce your wife, so your father can marry her. And then your son can divorce his wife, so you can marry her. Be proud of Allah's rasool PBUH.

 

[chatanga1]

Just now, MuslimNeighbour said:

So no females in Panj Pyare and ALL 10 Gurus were male, couldn't 1 of the 10 Gurus be a female, come on.

That's correct. Just like the 125,000 prophets of Allah SWT were all male.

But I will ask you again, since you brought it up:

Women can do kirtan, katha, dhadi waran, paath and ardas in sangat. Just like men.

Women are allowed to become members of the Gurdwara Management System.

In your mosque women have to pray behind a screen.

Are women allowed to read prayers for the muslim sangat in the mosque?

Are women allowed to run Mosques?

I've never seen or heard of 1 female Qazi, Mullah, Mufti or Imam. Why?

Maybe this time you will have the decency to answer?

 

1 minute ago, MuslimNeighbour said:

No divorce means a female can be stuck in an abusive relationship being beaten physically and mentally and your religion does not allow her a way out,

This just shows how little you know of Panjabi culture. If a woman was in such a marriage, her brothers and father would just bring her back home and then get her remarried to a better match. Simply by taking her out of the married home, the marriage would be annulled. But I have never heard of any such occurences. Women doted on their husbands and Guru Sahib has aslo instructed Sikh men never to neglect their spouses, and always take their counsel.

Divorce was only recommended by Allah, the best of planners, because he knew how much Prophet Mohammad PBUH pined to bone Zaid's wife. His daughter-in-law. So then the surah was revealed and there was one happy Prophet. The prime example of man.

 

 

1 minute ago, MuslimNeighbour said:

Tell me who is the leading Sikh Parcharik in the World,

I am.

 

1 minute ago, MuslimNeighbour said:

 I want to see if I can find answers?

Ask me anything, but be prepared to field some questions yourself.

 

1 minute ago, MuslimNeighbour said:

Because clearly none of you here are capable of providing the goods.

Well me dear neighbour, I have to say the same about you. You have made several posts yet failed to answer the question on the sophia mosque topic for around 10 days.

[dharamyudh]

21 hours ago, MuslimNeighbour said:

So no females in Panj Pyare and ALL 10 Gurus were male, couldn't 1 of the 10 Gurus be a female, come on.

No divorce means a female can be stuck in an abusive relationship being beaten physically and mentally and your religion does not allow her a way out, not realistic at all and again lack of depth shown by whoever came up with not allowing it, misogynistic much. Don't think liberals or even conservatives would be happy about that.

That's the crazy part roughly 200-250 years of 10 Gurus and the religion isn't deep what so ever, doesn't even have an argument to present the World for it's truthfulness. I mean it took your last physical Guru to even come up with the turban and uncut hair.

You know yourself what took 10 Gurus to do could have easily have been done by 1, Nanak the founder doing parchaar, coming up with the 5 K's and everything else, not much to it. I'm starting to think Waheguru is an Indian supremacist, all 10 Gurus Indian, all 10 Gurus born in the Indian sub-continent, hmmm

Tell me who is the leading Sikh Parcharik in the World, I want to see if I can find answers? Because clearly none of you here are capable of providing the goods.

The fact that you as a Muslim spend your time on a Sikh forum EVERYDAY is all the answers I personally need bro. Please don't be speaking about women... You talk a lot, but we all know the relationship of Islam and women. I could speak about Muhammad, I could speak about the various different Hadiths that show his actions. But why would I wanna do that? What's the point? Why not spend time to make yourself into a better person. Do something productive because you clearly have nothing else going for yourself. It's pretty evident. Your lack of research is really showing. Unlike you, we don't need to prove our dharam to no one. That's what all you Abrahamic religions don't understand. You got Muslims trying to make the Quran into a science textbook, when in reality it's constantly getting challenged by various academics. I mean look at Yasir Qadhi. Already questions regarding the preservation of the Quran saying the narrative has holes in it. But that's a whole different topic that your Ummah should discuss. Arguing gets you literally nowhere, essentially wasting time on earth when you could spend that time helping the various struggling Muslim communities across the world right now. The same time you could spend connecting to god.   

Think about the culture within India before the Gurus arrived. Yeah, Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji Maharaj could have done all that. Unlike Islam, Sikhi is WAY deeper. In every level. Only people in Islam who kinda got it right are the Sufis. Yet, you people belittle them. The Gurus LEAD by example. They offered a blueprint to their Sikhs on how to actually experience god. However, it was hukam. The command of Akal Purakh that there would be 10 Gurus, yet the message remained the same and flowed through each Guru. Closed minded Abrahamics cannot understand Dharamic thinking. We don't wish for women and wine in some afterlife. We want to merge back into Akal Purakh. While the West was rich with materialistic things the Indian subcontinent was rich in spirituality. Always has been. This is where it originated from. 

You think Waheguru is an Indian supremacist? Just because the Gurus were born in the Indian subcontinent? Where was the identity of Indian at during that time period? Let's apply that thinking towards Islam shall we? I believe the whole religion of Islam is an Arab supremacist religion. The Arabs spread their religion onto other countries. You adopted Arabic words that were around WAY before Islam, such as the word Allah. Adopted Arab clothing, read Arabic scriptures, speak Arabic, pray towards an Arab shrine located in Saudi Arabia which was originally a center for the various Arab pagan gods. Islam is an ARAB religion. Why? Because it was established in ARABIA. IT HAD TO START SOMEWHERE.  And yet do Arabs consider Pakistanis or anyone else as their equals? The answer is no. That's pretty evident. I grew up  Arabs and you should hear the things they say about Pakistanis, Afghans and anyone else who isn't Arab. Most of these guys are really interested in Sikhi. It's you non Arabs who have an inferiority complex towards them.   

[Koi]

8 hours ago, MuslimNeighbour said:

So no females in Panj Pyare and ALL 10 Gurus were male, couldn't 1 of the 10 Gurus be a female, come on.

No divorce means a female can be stuck in an abusive relationship being beaten physically and mentally and your religion does not allow her a way out, not realistic at all and again lack of depth shown by whoever came up with not allowing it, misogynistic much. Don't think liberals or even conservatives would be happy about that.

That's the crazy part roughly 200-250 years of 10 Gurus and the religion isn't deep what so ever, doesn't even have an argument to present the World for it's truthfulness. I mean it took your last physical Guru to even come up with the turban and uncut hair.

You know yourself what took 10 Gurus to do could have easily have been done by 1, Nanak the founder doing parchaar, coming up with the 5 K's and everything else, not much to it. I'm starting to think Waheguru is an Indian supremacist, all 10 Gurus Indian, all 10 Gurus born in the Indian sub-continent, hmmm

Tell me who is the leading Sikh Parcharik in the World, I want to see if I can find answers? Because clearly none of you here are capable of providing the goods.

See, what I find very interesting is that you haven't answered a single point of the thread you are quoting, and you're just making outlandish claims, all of which have been refuted multiple times, in this thread and others. 

If you are so sure about your religion, then let's have that debate. You previously attacked the authenticity of the Bible, to which I openly asked if you'd like to discuss the authenticity of the Quran. Unsurprisingly, you haven't even responded to that, and you're just taking unnecessary digs. It's okay, i get it. I guess I'd be scared too if I didn't have a leg to stand on, especially when "the standard narrative has holes in it" (if you know, you know).

Looking forward to hearing from you very soon...

[Kau89r8]

 

[Kaurr]

8 hours ago, Kau89r8 said:

 

Can someone translate the hindi?

[Kau89r8]

9 hours ago, Kaurr said:

Can someone translate the hindi?

Google translator 

 

'In Punjab, Sikh lines are being converted'

[jkvlondon]

On 8/3/2020 at 9:30 PM, MuslimNeighbour said:

So no females in Panj Pyare and ALL 10 Gurus were male, couldn't 1 of the 10 Gurus be a female, come on.

No divorce means a female can be stuck in an abusive relationship being beaten physically and mentally and your religion does not allow her a way out, not realistic at all and again lack of depth shown by whoever came up with not allowing it, misogynistic much. Don't think liberals or even conservatives would be happy about that.

That's the crazy part roughly 200-250 years of 10 Gurus and the religion isn't deep what so ever, doesn't even have an argument to present the World for it's truthfulness. I mean it took your last physical Guru to even come up with the turban and uncut hair.

You know yourself what took 10 Gurus to do could have easily have been done by 1, Nanak the founder doing parchaar, coming up with the 5 K's and everything else, not much to it. I'm starting to think Waheguru is an Indian supremacist, all 10 Gurus Indian, all 10 Gurus born in the Indian sub-continent, hmmm

Tell me who is the leading Sikh Parcharik in the World, I want to see if I can find answers? Because clearly none of you here are capable of providing the goods.

the only person blessed beyond all previous levels was a female ;the  daughter of a guru , married to a guru and gave birth to another guru , and was also the grandmother, great grandmother and great great grandmother of the rest of the sikh Gurus  her name  Bibi Bhani ji . Our womenfolk are more blessed than men because they are the ones who give birth to saints and kings of both realms