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Predatory Christianity destroying Punjab and Sikhi


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On 7/22/2020 at 7:28 PM, Kau89r8 said:

There is also a growing number of Punjabi in diaspora that are converting to Christianity. Wont be surprised if Punjab becomes majority Christian state within 5-10 years or less. Really sad and heartbreaking

 

I don't know anything about people in Punjabi diaspora converting to Christianity, but there are certain patterns one should know of while talking of conversions to Christianity in India. Firstly, the dominant pattern has always been people from scheduled castes / tribes converting to Christianity due to lack of access to religious places, discrimination, abuse and other oppressive behavior. For example, in case of Mizoram (majority ST state) and Kerala, conversions to Christianity occurred largely due to economic status in the case of Mizos and discrimination in case of Kerala. Conversions in Punjab among the Sikhs are due to two reasons largely - oppression of Dalits in rural areas and attraction towards the West among the middle class non-Dalit Sikh. 

About financial incentivizing of conversions, that has largely stopped, as foreign fund inflow into India is strictly monitored after the passage of FCRA Act which can freeze financial transfers, bank accounts and can lead to seizure of assets in case of violation. All transactions are centrally routed for NGOs and other organizations through government banks connected with the RBI Delhi Office. 

This has actual immediate impact in many areas - 

This is in Tamil Nadu and Kerala

This is in Andhra Pradesh

There is also effort going on at ground level in rural AP where a lot of conversions took place especially in coastal belt up till the 1960s. 

This is happening in North East

Also, abt FCRA

All hope is not lost. But people who are converting out of genuine attraction and not monetary incentives are going to be a serious threat (especially in middle class Jatts n Khatris who r converting)

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On 6/25/2021 at 8:04 AM, BoogieWoogie said:

Firstly, the dominant pattern has always been people from scheduled castes / tribes converting to Christianity due to lack of access to religious places, discrimination, abuse and other oppressive behavior.

Yh I know that in the past most people were bribed into becoming christian

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On 7/21/2021 at 6:47 AM, ChardikalaUK said:

If you treat people like dirt then this is what happens. Sikhi was meant to end the caste system or at least make everyone equal. Almost 600 years later it still hasn't done it.

And it's one set of pendu that are the worst for this. They need to be called out and cussed off regularly.  

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On 7/21/2021 at 9:47 AM, ChardikalaUK said:

If you treat people like dirt then this is what happens. Sikhi was meant to end the caste system or at least make everyone equal. Almost 600 years later it still hasn't done it.

White christians treat black Christians like dirt including burning their churches and enslaving them but blacks still become Christians even in africa. Why dont they all leave Christianity and convert to another religion then?Same way arabs are so racist to south asian muslims and black muslims. Its just excuses. How can discrimination by some mere mortal human make you stop believing in your god.These people dont know anything about sikhi and thats why they will go wherever they get benefits.

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On 7/21/2021 at 10:22 AM, dallysingh101 said:

And it's one set of pendu that are the worst for this. They need to be called out and cussed off regularly.  

but i dont understand this. White christians are racist too and so are arab muslims but blacks and south asians still become christians even after history of enslavement why? Its all because of money. They pay people money and benefits to change their religion. And most people are more worried about filling their stomach than caring about spirituality which is why our guru started langar because he knew how can humans focus on spirituality when their stomachs are empty. These people do not care about spirituality or the truth . They only care about benefits dont we all do which is why we came to the west? Very very very few people in this world are spiritually strong who will not stop believing in  the truth for any amount of worldly desires. Now your avg pendu is not gonna be spiritually enlightened are they?

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2 hours ago, Kau89r8 said:

Wow they finally they woke up..

Wont get my hopes up too much, they wont do much 

They are too useless. Just look at the scandals of the catholic church but they still try to get converts. We all know why but our lot are too stupid. Our people have no vision. They know more people = more power they hold but our lot are too busy in throwing away our money to others.

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24 minutes ago, proudkaur21 said:

but i dont understand this. White christians are racist too and so are arab muslims but blacks and south asians still become christians even after history of enslavement why? Its all because of money.

I think a large part of this is because they sell their wares really well, and I've seen a lot of people convert to these religions over the years. A lot of kaalay convert because they detest their history with white christians (and it is weird how they ignore their slavery by arabs, but I think it may be down to jumping on a perceived lesser evil, and also a side that they feel can give white supremacy a run for it's money). Plus if someone is christian, it's easier to convert to islam because they have overlap in terms of their mythology (same prophet lineages, angels etc).    Also, for guys who come from criminal backgrounds, when they convert, they can get to still use their violent criminal tendencies to attack nonbelievers and be a good sullah. When it used to get confrontational in Southall in Vasaikhi with fundamental sullay, the brown sullay would always bring kalaay converts to hide behind (who were obviously criminal types before converting).  

Also the church can be vibrant and fun from what I've heard, and this can be attractive to S. asians who are used to sombre deliveries of katha. 

And let's be 100% frank, finding a partner is something that makes A LOT of people convert. 

Welcoming vibes count for a lot.

24 minutes ago, proudkaur21 said:

Now your avg pendu is not gonna be spiritually enlightened are they?

Well, there is no excuse for this. SGPC has a massive budget. They aren't even bothering, and what they attempt is 'more of the same' that didn't even work previously.  

Pendus cultural allergy to reading doesn't help either. A lot of us here in the diaspora have got our moorings/knowledge in this way, so we've circumvented any rot.  

Pendus don't have a strong identity outside of a caste one. 

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