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On 8/11/2020 at 5:20 PM, Tamansingh123 said:

Sirsa, Bagga are the most smart ones. Openly saying khalistan zindabaad wont give u anything. But being with the govt, and also putting forward sikh issues is the key now. We need more sikhs in the govt, police, ias, while also actively preaching, and educating our current generation. Khalistan right now is a lost cause. Sikhs now wont be able to achieve it. If we were living in 90s, and sikhs took certain correct steps, then it would have been possible. Follow @mssirsa on twitter. We need more sikhs like him.

That how its is for Sikhs..RSS/Modi or Gandhis 🤮

Sirsa is ok...he does go overboard with 'I love India and sucking about to Modi...but he from time to time he does speak out against panthic issues...He is self-made multi millionaire, which is good and we need more like him so they don't get 'brought' out...Bagga is just an joke and embarrassment...

What correct steps should they'd take in 90s? imo, they should have first make $$$$ = power. Obvs this is now in hindsight, but i wish they'd never given their lives, esp the amount lives we lost and were taken is heartbreaking. Esp now when we look at this Z generation. 

They want us to keep dying and give our heads. Its win for them. Noone cares if we get justice or rot in jail. Thats why we need to make $$$. We need power.

 

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On 8/11/2020 at 8:06 PM, dharamyudh said:

 

Now... We all know the SGPC simply will not give up its power. 

Yep, but lets start thinking we don't have the SGPC, Akal Takht, or Punjab for Sikhs. So what do we do now. We are better of in West, where we can speak up without being arrested. We should focus on being successful financially, really successful collectively. We need panthic billionaires. Money talks. 

 

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Bhai Jagraj Singh was already onto something. However, it looks like Basics of Sikhi has really fell off ever since his passing.

Bhai Jagraj Singh Ji :(:(  Really miss him.  BoS they've become too far left, liberal. 

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1 hour ago, Shaheed4life said:

No veerji it is not written in Guru Granth Sahib ji.Im quite sure it is a bachan from Guru Gobind Singh ji.Yes I agree the panth does not believe in superstitions but the 960 million khalsa I'm talking about is not about shaheed singhs.What I mean is that now there are shaheed singhs which have already taken birth and are on this earth and that during Khalsa raj the Khalsa population will increase to 960 million.Hope I cleared it up

Dkm abt it bro. But much easier to belief.

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1 hour ago, Kau89r8 said:

Bagga is just an joke and embarrassment

Bagga is a smart guy. Using hindus feelings to sell his products. 

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1 hour ago, Kau89r8 said:

What correct steps should they'd take in 90s

He already lost the war when akal takht was destroyed. It was just that till how much we could resist forces. And it ended in 1995. Sikh community now needs to make a long term plan. Have 3 kids atleast, do strong parchar to poor hindus, save out people from missionaries. Have top IAS, IPS govt positions with singhs who love sikhi as much they love india. Have a lot of MLAs. Then the game will change. We wont have khalistan, but we will have India. But its a long term plan. Like 30-40 years from now. 

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No sort of armed struggle should happen like in the 80s-90s. It really isn't needed. The whole referendum thing is just dumb. The main thing is that we return to our Gurus system with the Panj Pyare. We have essentially adopted a westernized system which clearly isn't working. I mean...it's pretty evident within the US right now! Literally a two party election. Bhai Jagraj Singh also talked about setting up Takhts in Canada, UK and so on. A system could easily be worked out. However, this all happens when the panth unites. Parchar is essential. The Gurdwara committees HAVE the money for this, but aren't investing into it. I would love to sit down with these guys and pick their brain. No common sense what so ever. Have all that money from the sangat and don't invest it properly. This is a result of poor leaders who beg for votes.

Instead of confining ourselves to Panjab, we could easily began doing parchar across India. The whole modern day Khalistan thing is hilarious. Start letting the younger generation into roles of leadership and see the changes happen. The Akal Takht was once the most dominant force. If a hukam was given, the sangat would follow. Our Jathedar is Jagtar Singh Hawara Ji (Much respect to him. Example of a passionate Sikh leader) But how can he lead the panth when he's literally imprisoned! The Indian state is not going to let him out of jail, especially when he's now the Jathedar of the Akal Takht! Unbelievable. 

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21 hours ago, Tamansingh123 said:

He already lost the war when akal takht was destroyed. It was just that till how much we could resist forces. And it ended in 1995. Sikh community now needs to make a long term plan. Have 3 kids atleast, do strong parchar to poor hindus, save out people from missionaries. Have top IAS, IPS govt positions with singhs who love sikhi as much they love india. Have a lot of MLAs. Then the game will change. We wont have khalistan, but we will have India. But its a long term plan. Like 30-40 years from now. 

Smartest thing to do. And it really isn't that hard, especially with the money these gurdwaras are racking in. 

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On 8/11/2020 at 5:27 AM, proactive said:

Can I give you a contary opinion? Maybe if you have bothered to sit with him and explain what Simran is and how to do it, he would have had the tools to counter the bad influence that he got under in later years. So you watched quietly for 5 YEARS while he slid down the slipperly slope and now you use the example of this poor child who in essence you failed in order to prove a point. That's really sad. 

The boy didn’t fall down a slope, he fell off a cliff. He followed Sikhi for years and then suddenly lost interest and cut his hair. Everyone was shocked. 

Being serious about spirituality can be so lonely, the boy was similar age and I wanted to be friends with him, talk about simran etc. But hukam from inside was “he’s not ready”. Guru Nanak Ji’s hukam can’t be questioned. 5 years it made no sense at all, until one day he uploaded a selfie with his hair all gone.

Sometimes those wearing bana become so strict about x, y, z maryada that God himself doesn’t want to meet them. They hold huge hate in the mind against non-maryada people, thinking we are superior than them. Maryada just means bande banke raho dunyia vich (live as good citizens in this world). And those who appear manmukhs, sometimes they have hidden kirpa about to blossom. 

Let’s try balance a negative story with a positive one.

There was a Punjabi family, no interest in Sikhi at all. The man was addicted to drinking. They had girls and after long time finally got a son. When they brought him to my house first time his mum held him near me and I stroked his head. From inside I saw this head belongs to the Guru, one day it will have kesh in a joora. 3 years later the whole family took amrit, the boy he’s 8 now and looks beautiful, he’s growing up in a simran/gurmat household.

Prabh Kai Simran Sab Kich Sujhai

~ Remembering God all things become known

Going back to the point, today many Sikhs look beautiful but are empty of naam and God’s love within.

Restructuring the Sikh panth, such a thing would be done by a great mahapurkh, not us. Lest that time comes and we won’t even be worthy of being called Sikh. So our focus should be making our jeevan as strong as possible. If it pleases the Guru each of us might be given some panth di seva in our life. With naam enshrined in our heart we will perform seva in nimrta (humbleness) and obtain many blessings.

Mool Mantar is the key to open every single door inside. It’s so great God himself had to come into this world to give it.

If anything sounded pleasing it’s the Guru’s, shortcomings are limited to daas.

Vaheguru Ji Ka Khalsa, Vaheguru Ji Ki Fathe

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1 hour ago, Singh375 said:

 

Sometimes those wearing bana become so strict about x, y, z maryada that God himself doesn’t want to meet them. They hold huge hate in the mind against non-maryada people, thinking we are superior than them. Maryada just means bande banke raho dunyia vich (live as good citizens in this world). And those who appear manmukhs, sometimes they have hidden kirpa about to blossom. 

 

it those  Singhs wearing bana and maryada who formed dal khalsa and rid us of invasions of aghans and also the mughals.

However there are those jathas who imitate bana of dal khalsa and think themselves superior due to their maryada and put themselves in ego, hunkaar. Even thought they don't belong to those jathas incorporated by Nawab Kapur Singh into dal khalsa, these jathas still think they can wear bana and spread their egos, some becoming so strict they will not even have langar with those outside their jathas. and even commuting beadbi at amrit sanchars due to special naam rituals!

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On 8/11/2020 at 5:20 PM, Tamansingh123 said:

Sirsa, Bagga are the most smart ones. Openly saying khalistan zindabaad wont give u anything. But being with the govt, and also putting forward sikh issues is the key now. We need more sikhs in the govt, police, ias, while also actively preaching, and educating our current generation. Khalistan right now is a lost cause. Sikhs now wont be able to achieve it. If we were living in 90s, and sikhs took certain correct steps, then it would have been possible. Follow @mssirsa on twitter. We need more sikhs like him.

unfortunately  those jobs have now been farmed out to haranvi hindus in fact they passed an act which says 70% quota of govt jobs must be filled by harabvis and biharis before sikh punjabi in govt jobs .

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4 minutes ago, jkvlondon said:

unfortunately  those jobs have now been farmed out to haranvi hindus in fact they passed an act which says 70% quota of govt jobs must be filled by harabvis and biharis before sikh punjabi in govt jobs .

aim for the 30%. Still better than wasting time, money and energy in useless khalistani rallies. Help punjab and sikhi grow

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13 minutes ago, Tamansingh123 said:

aim for the 30%. Still better than wasting time, money and energy in useless khalistani rallies. Help punjab and sikhi grow

all the mahapurush asked about khalsa raj/khalistan say first step is become one with being a gursikh, take amrit and follow the Guru and the raaj  appe pargat hona hai. Stop chasing jobs slaving for a corrupt system , become entrpreneurs , job makers , support the mazhabi  and sikhligars sikhs

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22 hours ago, jkvlondon said:

all the mahapurush asked about khalsa raj/khalistan say first step is become one with being a gursikh, take amrit and follow the Guru and the raaj  appe pargat hona hai. Stop chasing jobs slaving for a corrupt system , become entrpreneurs , job makers , support the mazhabi  and sikhligars sikhs

That's the prob with diaspora. They want khalistan, bt when someone gives a way to make raj, they reject it. What plan do u propose? If being a gursikh gave someone khalistan then we would have gotten it in 80s, 90s. I agree being a gursikh is imp, but just being a gursikh is a problem. India isnt gonna give u punjab because someone decided to hold a referendum. India is worlds 4th largest military power, even if 25 mil sikhs are against it, they can still beat us. Think logically. I want raj too, but rallies, referendums ain't gonna work. we can't even get our political prisoners out, and ur talking abt khalistan. If u want raj, its a long term plan. Not a 3 1/2 year plan of continuous rallies outside UN Head Office

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2 hours ago, Tamansingh123 said:

That's the prob with diaspora. They want khalistan, bt when someone gives a way to make raj, they reject it. What plan do u propose? If being a gursikh gave someone khalistan then we would have gotten it in 80s, 90s. I agree being a gursikh is imp, but just being a gursikh is a problem. India isnt gonna give u punjab because someone decided to hold a referendum. India is worlds 4th largest military power, even if 25 mil sikhs are against it, they can still beat us. Think logically. I want raj too, but rallies, referendums ain't gonna work. we can't even get our political prisoners out, and ur talking abt khalistan. If u want raj, its a long term plan. Not a 3 1/2 year plan of continuous rallies outside UN Head Office

when all of us actually become sikhs of the Guru we will not have the thadabandian of now where your jathe is more important than Gurhukham to love one another as family and protect and educate the weaker siblings so no sikh is left behind. If we do that we have Guru ji's support fully and no worldly power has ever destroyed that . education in sikhi and support of our neediest is the first priority else they will be picked off by missionaries and other dawah outfits . It's the ignorance of our past history that opens the door for people to create doubt or inferiority complexes , to be swayed by GOI /GOP propaganda , to accept the cr4p that is being ladled out .

Bhai jagraj Singh ji had a point, why only think small Guru ji gave bachan of 960 million Khalse and that will happen , but we have to create them from all areas of the world , all areas of India , then every national collective of sikhs will be commanding not requesting/demanding  respect of our asthaans and our ways . 

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On 8/8/2020 at 8:34 AM, dharamyudh said:

Should there be a modern day Singh Sabha movement? How would a modern day Singh Sabha movement even look like? What would the main goals be? How would those goals be achieved?

 

Skhs are far too splintered these days for any movement to be effective. The Singh Sabha lehar was ok-ish but in the long-run has caused some major problems. Rather than look for a panth-wide movement, I think we should look at village level movements which can then expand. It will be nigh on impossible trying to find a leader that majority of Sikhs would accept.

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