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2 minutes ago, MuslimNeighbour said:

If you don't think Nanak was God then you have things to look over and discuss with your sangat.

Infact Guru Gobind Singh, our last guru in human form says "those who call me as god will fall in pit of hell. Consider me as his servant, and have no doubt in this" 

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18 minutes ago, Jonny101 said:

Islamic and Judaic monotheistic is not the same. Jews don't pray to their prophets as Muslims do to Mohammed which by definition is Shirk. Neither have Jews given a semi divine status to their prophets as Muslims have to Mohammed. Hadith reports testify how Muslims would claim that the sweat of Mohammad smelled better than scent and drinking his holy blood and urine would save them from hell fire. That means he had a god man like body like some Hindu devta. Jews never claimed any of that for their prophets. 

As for what is monotheism, we don't believe in Islamic definition of monotheism and neither should you expect us to look at monotheism from the Islamic lense. We have our own definition of "Ik Oankaar". 

Also the word Elohim , one of the main names for god in Judaism,  is actually a plural in Hebrew. 

All words ending in "im" in Judaism are plural for male. Thus Elohim is actually many gods. And it makes sense because Judaism was initially polytheistic before it became monotheistic 

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3 minutes ago, MuslimNeighbour said:

You're a fan of sociopath Wood, you clearly believe everything that comes out of his mouth. To normal people he's a laughing stock, bottom of the barrel borderline Christian but to a Sikh like you he's a great scholar of Islamic knowledge where as thousands of Islamic scholars weren't even aware they were praying to their Prophet instead of God, genius stuff really. Apparently Islam was invented by the Catholic Church also according to David's crew.

Just some food for thought about your Guru David.

 

David's Guru CP not looking any better.

 

 

Please come out of your dark ages. 

Or do you wish to go imitate the dark ages of your Christian cousins 

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10 hours ago, MuslimNeighbour said:

Can you expand on your Gurus bodies not being the same as ours? As far as I'm aware one died of smallpox (whether he took smallpox on himself is another matter), at least 2 Gurus were killed by man made weapons. As far as I can tell they were flesh and blood like us and able to contract diseases.

If Nanak was God on Earth and he is telling his fellow man to worship God, is he telling them to worship himself or another God?

If all 10 Gurus were God, you had multiple Gurus living on Earth at the same time, does that mean each of them were God, more than 1 God, how does it work?

Flesh isnt what matters, soul does. Flesh can be killed, soul and thoughts cant be. 

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5 hours ago, MuslimNeighbour said:

The beef Muslims and Jews have with the Trinity itself is firstly it goes against any previous teaching of God being one and one only and secondly there is no evidence to support the concept of the Trinity from the New Testament and plenty of evidence against the fact from that very same book.

Previous? Whats previous here? According to muslim beliefs? U are talking about Sikhi, in a Sikh forum and giving an example of islamic prophets and teachings of god

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2 hours ago, MuslimNeighbour said:

I'll ask again since you went on a mad one waffling. Try to comprehend the question and then read it a thousand times, think about it, dwell on it, ask your husband his thoughts on it and then give an answer, ready go...

What gives Sikh history eye witness accounts any more weight than other religious eye witness accounts?

Gurus werent god, but they had the power of god. Plus they choose to die. If they dint want to die, they could have chosen not to die, but they accepted what god wanted. Banda Singh Bahadur had such powers that he can make a person fly. But when he was captured, he could have used those powers, but instead choose to live by gods will. 

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13 minutes ago, MuslimNeighbour said:

So just some casual racism hey and that from a female Sikh. Hindus also think they defeat people in arguments with their cow God rhetoric, you're all welcome to dream. Irony is you can't defeat anyone in an argument because Sikhi does not possess any argument for it's truth, it's all about feelings and tingling sensations. Come to think of it Hinduism also doesn't have an argument for it's truth, another similarity to add to the list between Hinduism and Sikhi, which apparently has no connection to Hinduism.

 

Sikhi is a dharmic faith with much shared traditions and culture with all the other dharmic streams of thought, some more and some not so much. For myriad of current political and social reasons you might hear sikhs state things otherwise, but it's factually incorrect. Most of us understand and acknowledge this. It's not something we're ashamed of, apart from the fringe groups  that re-interpret sikhi as being devoid of all links to sanatan/"hindu" mat. You really have to remove the islamic lens to get a better view. It gets frustrating for some members because we don't hold the same confrontational attitude you bring to this Sikh forum. This is not a place of great apologetics debates. It's a place where a few active members pass on advice and share thoughts with the younger learners who come and go. What this means is that you will get a mixture of replies according to the various understandings of the few members of this forum. Perhaps you should read more researched material (which is scarce in English, to be honest) if that’s to your liking. Most of our traditional and modernist scholarship is limited to Punjabi. It will take longer for us to fully reach English scholarship levels of the bigger religions.

 

Just some observations and suggestions after having read your various arguments in various threads. Perhaps this forum just isn’t what you require.

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