horses are extremely spiritual animals

[Koi]

58 minutes ago, MuslimNeighbour said:

The fact that you believe Jesus claimed to be God in the New Testament in clear cut writing is worrying. I thought only Christians were silly enough to make such claims and then trip over themselves trying to explain the Trinity but wow you've really displayed the fact you either cannot read and process information or you're looking to believe that narrative because it helps you with the whole Nanak being God narrative, interesting.

I guess if anyone is looking to make Jesus God using the New Testament it would be a Sikh or a Hindu who look to find a God everywhere but then again you do believe in Hindu Devte and Devtis and stuff so this shouldn't come as a surprise to me, silly me.

 

And once again, you've shown that you know nothing of the new (or old) testament. If you honestly believe Jesus did not claim to be God, make the thread. I'm not a Christian, but I'll prove 100% according to the bible that Jesus claimed to be God. Take this as a direct challenge. Though somehow, I don't think you'll accept (unsurprisingly).

It also doesn't surprise me that you have difficulty understanding the Sikh (or even Christian) concept of God. Though tbh, even the Quran gets the trinity wrong, so why would you get it right.

[Koi]

2 hours ago, MuslimNeighbour said:

Firstly,  when I asked you a direct question, on whether or not an omnipotent God could enter creation if he so wishes, you brushed it to the side saying you don't care. Well, this is an important question, because the answer will potentially undermine your whole understanding of God. If you say he cannot, then simply put, you do not believe God is omnipotent. If you do, however, agree, then you have to postulate that God can manifest as a human, whether it's Guru Nanak Maharaj, the Avtars, Jesus etc. But your unwillingness to answer a direct question indicates deception. Please show some intellectual integrity and answer the question. We believe an omnipotent God can manifest as a human in his creation, because he's OMNIPOTENT. What's your opinion?

Also, please try not to cower away from this question. See if you can answer without any deception. 

[Koi]

7 hours ago, MuslimNeighbour said:

You're a lost cause and an absolute joke. A Sikh who see's the Trinity or attempt of in the 3 Abrahamic books and divinity of Jesus. Talk about confirmation bias so you can imply as the ultimate goal that it's normal to believe a man was God. You're a victim of grooming via Christian apologetcis which apparently only Christians and Indians take seriously. It makes perfect sense now, those Sikhs in India converting to Christianity went from believing 10 men were God to 1 man was God.

And that's exactly the response I was expecting. Not engaging the question, not even a half-baked attempt to answer the point. Just a crappy statement wrapped up in insults. Take a good look everyone. This is what happens when you don't have the intellectual integrity to even attempt to answer the question. If you're that sure that you're correct, accept my challenge. But you won't, because you know that you will be destroyed. However, in the hope that you'll one day grow up intellectually, the challenge is still there.

To everyone else, this is exactly what I wanted to expose, and i knew he was going to do this. It's okay to have a detailed and respectful discussion and be proved wrong. But avoiding the question altogether and going on the attack shows the true nature and intentions of the person. 

Go home mate. You're finished. 

[Not2Cool2Argue]

On 8/17/2020 at 5:25 PM, MuslimNeighbour said:

Irony is you talking of echo chambers meanwhile your people are no where to be seen in any interfaith dialogue/debates/discussions. I don't think you can help yourself making yourself look silly, I've encourage you to think about what you post before posting multiple times but it falls on deaf ears.

For you to claim Sikhi has no ties to Hinduism is absurd, do explain the ample similarities to the former then?

Look it's okay for you to say 'Sikhi does have a lot of similarities with Hinduism and it's still independent of Hinduism however I cannot explain why the similarities exist'. That would be an honest answer, can you agree with that sentence as a Sikh instead of waffling?

How about:  Sikhi does have alot of similarities with Hinduism and it's still independent of Hinduism however its not an issue as we can explain why the similarities exist

The gurus were trying to create spiritual beings that can exist in any country and timefeame and not necessarily a ethnic political nation with laws like how in Islam sharia and arabic culture are so important. 

So the Gurus did not reject anything in the culture of india unless it was illogical or false. 

And lots of illogical and false things were rejected. 

But if some things were truth or in line with truth,  Sikhi which is the truth would of course be similar to those things. Thats why alot of people get confused and say sikhi is like hinduism, islam and christianity.  Which is weird because they contradict each other. The reality is that as God kept sending prophets, some of the truth remained in these other religions and matched with the Truth when it was revealed. 

About the cow thing. We respect the cow as every other animal and usually sikhs refrain from eating animals. However, if sikhs do have to eat meat in times of war etc, they refrain from eating cow meat. 

And the reason is because milk is important to a vegetarian diet. B12 can only come from animal products so if someone was vegetarian, they still need milk to survive. But if that milk comes from butchered and maltreated cows as per laws of karma, you would be responsible for the butchering and maltreatment. 

Therefore, in ancient india, as the only domesticated animal, the welfare of cows was the dharma/ the duty of every human. Because we raise cows to give us milk, we are responsible for them. 

Even today, vegans have given up dairy products because eating dairy in the West means raising cows for the meat industry. So even though milk isnt meat, vegans had to give it up. 

Therefore sikhs dont kill cows. But we dont worship them. 

And have you heard of all the things the sikh gurus denounced in hinduism? So what if a few similarities remain? 

So what if our style of singing is the same? Sikh people have now started doing kirtan on guitars, violins, does that make them christian now? So what if we started using the harmonium in the 1900s just like all of india? Before that we used the rebab and other persian instruments. 

 

[Koi]

Love that response @Not2Cool2Argue .

[jkvlondon]

you cannot have it both ways you decry sufi ways as non-islamic , that dancing and musical worship is haram then claim Sheikh Farid ji as muslim. Sorry to say according to your belief system, Sheikh Farid ji was not muslim as he danced in the bliss of the lord to the chagrin of the maulvis and sang the Creator's praises  and of course what prayers he did utter and are in Guru Granth Sahib ji are  not written by the prophet at all.

The Meteor installed at Kaa'ba is one of the oldest idols used by the Quresh , so yeah idol worship; if the only reason it is holy is that it fell from the stars/heavens then there are so many such fragments scattered across the planet every place should be holy  . The Kaa'ba itself  is claimed by Mohammed in quran to be built by Abraham and Ishmael  but that is to cover its true pagan source. :

Remember We made the House a place of assembly for men and a place of safety; and take ye the station of Abraham as a place of prayer; and We covenanted with Abraham and Isma'il, that they should sanctify My House for those who compass it round, or use it as a retreat, or bow, or prostrate themselves (therein in prayer).

Qur'an 2:125

Muhammed says it was built 40 years prior to the Temple at Jerusalem:

Narrated Abu Dhaar: I said, "O Allah's Apostle! Which mosque was built first?" He replied, "Al-Masjid-ul-Haram." I asked, "Which (was built) next?" He replied, "Al-Masjid-ul-Aqs-a (i.e. Jerusalem)." I asked, "What was the period in between them? He replied, forty years.

Sahih Bukhari 4:55:636

The Temple at Jerusalem was built by Solomon around 958-951 BC. This implies that if Muhammad were to be believed, the Ka’aba must have been built approximately 998-991 BC. But Abraham lived around 2000 BC and both Abraham and Ishmael would have been dead by then.

If Muhammad is correct, then the Qur’an [and therefore Allah] is wrong. But if the Qur’an is correct in stating that Abraham and Ishmael built the Ka’aba, then Muhammad and the sahih hadith is wrong.

 

 

You want to understand what is Shaitan , it is your unbridled mind which runs in all directions convincing you to make bad choices , be a man, and accept that humans need to own up to their own faults. There is NO capable Adversary to Allah/Waheguru  . Everywhere demons are mentioned it is to state their role in punishing the sinners in accordance to God's judgements.

Pray, be happy and pray but do not peddle untruths here , thanks

 

[mahanpaapi]

 

[jkvlondon]

38 minutes ago, mahanpaapi said:

 

veer ji the full column of text is not there some words have been cropped either side

[mahanpaapi]

12 hours ago, jkvlondon said:

veer ji the full column of text is not there some words have been cropped either side

Haanji Bhen ji, I am trying to find the full text but still it gives a sense of Sheikh Baba Farid Ji's intimate relationship with Hazrat Mohammed Sahib based on devotional love.

 

[Premi5]

 

https://barusahib.org/general/guru-gobind-singh-jis-blue-horse/

05Aug

A story about Guru Gobind Singh Ji’s – Neela Ghora/Blue Horse!

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Guru Gobind Singh Ji was famed for his blue colored horse, in fact Guru Sahib Ji is sometimes known as ‘Neelay ghoray whalla’ or the owner of the blue horse and many a folk songs and vars sing the exploits of ‘Neelay Ghoray Te Swaar’ the rider of the blue horse.

Just as his grandfather Guru Hargobind Sahib Ji, Guru Gobind Singh instructed his Sikhs to make offerings of arms and horses in readiness for the turbulent times ahead. In anticipation of this Guru Gobind Singh Ji learnt the art of horsemanship from an early age under the guidance of his maternal uncle Bhai Kirpal Chand.

A Painting of Guru Gobind Singh JiAs Guru Sahib Ji grew up he became an accomplished horseman and would spend time travelling the country side on horseback blessing his people who would inevitably gather wherever he went.

It is not clear where the blue horse, affectionately known as Neela, was acquired from, it may have been a gift from a royal dignitary or from a devotee. Even today the lineage of the stallions continues at Hazoor Sahib, Nanded. The horses are kept in stables and are bred from the original stallion belonging to Guru Sahib Ji, although over time the blue colour has been diluted down to a grey white. No one is allowed to ride the horses as a mark of respect and they are brought out on the festival of Holla Mahalla or gurpurbs when they are beautifully decorated with tassels and riding gear. On occasions, especially on the festival of Holla Mahalla, it has been said that the horse will get extremely sweaty and agitated, as if it is being ridden.

It is difficult to get information about Guru Sahib Ji’s horse, even more so about a blue horse. These horses are very rare and many people are sceptical that such horses exist. Well, blue horses do exist. The colour is officially known as Blue Roan.

Roan horses have solid coloured coats, but with white hairs interspersed (roaning). The white hairs are not actual spots, but single white hairs mixed with the darker coat colour. These horses have a specific colour gene and this roan gene can be applied to any colour of horse. The most common are Red Roans and Bay Roans. There are also Palomino Roans, Red Dun Roans, Dun Roans, Buckskin Roans and the Blue Roan. The roan gene adds white hairs into the body of the horse. Roan is a stable colouration throughout life, whereas Grey and Varnish Appaloosa are progressive.

The legs and occasionally the head are not affected and will remain darker then the body (note in the above painting, Guru Sahib Ji’s horse is shown as blue, but not the legs).The mane and tail are usually not affected, but some may have some white hairs mixed in. A Blue Roan is a dark coloured horse with the roan gene.The roan gene gives the horse interspersed white hairs on his body and this gives a general blue hue or sheen to the horse. Blue Corn is a variation of Blue Roan, in which speckles and spots of the base colour (black) appear, making a mottled appearance.

The gurdwara at Putthi Sahib (Punjab) commemorates the incident when Guru Gobind Singh Ji arrived at this place from a long journey on their way back to Anandpur Sahib. They say a man working at a furnace (putthi) baking bricks. Upon enquiring from the local artisan if there was a place to rest, the local gestured at his furnace and said mockingly “If you call yourself Guru why don’t you rest here in the furnace?” This posed a direct challenge to the Guruship, and whereas Guru Sahib Ji would much rather have not revealed the full extent of the divine seat of Guru Nanak in this case there was no option. Guru Ji ushered Neela forward who trampled on the mud surrounding the furnace and put one of his hooves on the side of the furnace. Whereas a furnace would normally take a week or so to cool down the furnace became instantly cool. Guru Ji demounted Neela and rested for the night in the furnace. The gurdwara that now stands there has been built around the now solidified mud which still has the impressions of Neela’s hooves.