Akal Takht Jathedar declares NivairJatha, Dhadriwale and Harinder ANTISIKH

[jkvlondon]

1 hour ago, Premi5 said:

Dhadrianwale Baba seemed to be attracting a lot of positive interest 10-15 years ago. What changed ? 

power and paise corrupts and he's been given loads

[BhForce]

14 hours ago, Not2Cool2Argue said:

We did ask him how he became a parchaarik. He said he was a sickly child who was left at sant ishar singh jis diwaan. (If my memory is intact) And so he was raised in this parchaarik lifestyle. 

Oops, I never thought of this before: but was he molested in the dera by someone? (Not the Sant, but a random person or persons. Because there are always tons of followers-on in deras.)

[kcmidlands]

Harinder's released a video on Nirvair Khalsa Jatha's youtube page (i'm not posting it out of principle, it's easy to find), he waffle's on for 10 minutes telling people to make up their own minds and how the system's corrupt.

I remember seeing them years ago, they were pretty good, they had all the sangat's attention, i saw them recently (well, a couple of years back, before they opened their own Gurdwara) and he rolled up in a brand new white Audi Q7 with a private plate (something like NKJ **) and that spoke volumes about who he and his group of rag tag followers were, power and money corrupts, only a few are immune to it, these lot are as corrupted as they get.

[MisterrSingh]

48 minutes ago, BhForce said:

Oops, I never thought of this before: but was he molested in the dera by someone? (Not the Sant, but a random person or persons. Because there are always tons of followers-on in deras.)

I spent time in a similar setting when I was a kid (under 10), and while, with God's grace, I managed to not fall victim to such shenanigans mostly due to my parents pulling me out in time, I observed the older "kids" (mid-teens and older) actively targetting the younger ones. They start friendly; an arm around the shoulder, etc., but then their hands start wandering; they make night-time visits to where the younger kids sleep, and before you know it the filth starts.

Sikh or not, where-ever there's young children, you will always have sexual predators gravitating to such places. Our institutions are no exception.

[Shaheed4life]

1 hour ago, kcmidlands said:

Harinder's released a video on Nirvair Khalsa Jatha's youtube page (i'm not posting it out of principle, it's easy to find), he waffle's on for 10 minutes telling people to make up their own minds and how the system's corrupt.

I remember seeing them years ago, they were pretty good, they had all the sangat's attention, i saw them recently (well, a couple of years back, before they opened their own Gurdwara) and he rolled up in a brand new white Audi Q7 with a private plate (something like NKJ **) and that spoke volumes about who he and his group of rag tag followers were, power and money corrupts, only a few are immune to it, these lot are as corrupted as they get.

Yea he called Jathedar ji a hypocrite.All the more sangat should listen to our jathedar and not NKJ.Just because NKJ says a couple of good things,that does not give them the right to say the wrong things and not be questioned.For example Harinder said mental illnesses cannot be cured by Gurbani.by that he is putting limitation on  Guru ji's capabilities.If we have full faith in our Guru he can solve all our problems.We dont have to see a worldly doctor,our physician  is Guru ji.

Bhul Chuk Maf

[jkvlondon]

I don't know about you but I am glad this jathedar has some spine and is trying to search out the missing saroops and the culprits  also is not backing down from sikh sidhant in terms of dodgy parchariks

[kcmidlands]

1 hour ago, MisterrSingh said:

I spent time in a similar setting when I was a kid (under 10), and while, with God's grace, I managed to not fall victim to such shenanigans mostly due to my parents pulling me out in time, I observed the older "kids" (mid-teens and older) actively targetting the younger ones. They start friendly; an arm around the shoulder, etc., but then their hands start wandering; they make night-time visits to where the younger kids sleep, and before you know it the filth starts.

Sikh or not, where-ever there's young children, you will always have sexual predators gravitating to such places. Our institutions are no exception.

The issue is that people still have the mind set that this kind of thing doesn't happen in "Sikhi", when the whole NKJ thing kicked off you had educated people saying it could never happen in our religion, it's still seen as something that shouldn't be discussed out in the open, a "we'll take care of our own" mentality, didn't really do the catholic church much good in the end. If we see this stuff going on we all need to call it out and make it known that this isn't acceptable in Sikhi (or anywhere else for that matter).

 

50 minutes ago, Shaheed4life said:

Yea he called Jathedar ji a hypocrite.All the more sangat should listen to our jathedar and not NKJ.Just because NKJ says a couple of good things,that does not give them the right to say the wrong things and not be questioned.For example Harinder said mental illnesses cannot be cured by Gurbani.by that he is putting limitation on  Guru ji's capabilities.If we have full faith in our Guru he can solve all our problems.We dont have to see a worldly doctor,our physician  is Guru ji.

Bhul Chuk Maf

Yeah, he's spouted a lot of rubbish over the last few years, people are sheep, they need someone to follow, that someone is sat on their throne in every Gurdwara you visit yet people decide to follow snake oil salesmen like him.

Gurbani might not be able to cure mental health problems but it certainly helps, in  the last few month's of lockdown for me one of the only things that has saved me from loosing it completely is listening to Gurbani.

[MisterrSingh]

1 hour ago, kcmidlands said:

The issue is that people still have the mind set that this kind of thing doesn't happen in "Sikhi", when the whole NKJ thing kicked off you had educated people saying it could never happen in our religion, it's still seen as something that shouldn't be discussed out in the open, a "we'll take care of our own" mentality, didn't really do the catholic church much good in the end. If we see this stuff going on we all need to call it out and make it known that this isn't acceptable in Sikhi (or anywhere else for that matter).

The one thing that really got to me was some of the "sevadaars" with some power would only give tableh and harmoniums during kirtan training to the young boys who allowed them to be touchy-feely. Those of us who didn't like that bakwaas had to sit and watch at the side for hours as everyone else was getting acquainted with the instruments. Ever since I was born I wanted to perform kirtan, etc., but if the price for instruction was molestation by a creep, then I'm proud to say I can't play the tableh or the baaja to save my life, lol. 5hit like that ruins kids' dreams. I knocked that kirtan stuff on the head, but somehow still managed to retain my loyalty for the Guru. 8 years old and getting red-pilled about the realities of life. It's messed up.

[ipledgeblue]

35 minutes ago, MisterrSingh said:

The one thing that really got to me was some of the "sevadaars" with some power would only give tableh and harmoniums during kirtan training to the young boys who allowed them to be touchy-feely. Those of us who didn't like that bakwaas had to sit and watch at the side for hours as everyone else was getting acquainted with the instruments. Ever since I was born I wanted to perform kirtan, etc., but if the price for instruction was molestation by a creep, then I'm proud to say I can't play the tableh or the baaja to save my life, lol. 5hit like that ruins kids' dreams. I knocked that kirtan stuff on the head, but somehow still managed to retain my loyalty for the Guru. 8 years old and getting red-pilled about the realities of life. It's messed up.

I was in Guru Nanak School Hayes, some sewadaars only used to give the wajay to those who could already play keertan, and put others on the side, maybe give tabla to them.

[MisterrSingh]

17 minutes ago, ipledgeblue said:

I was in Guru Nanak School Hayes, some sewadaars only used to give the wajay to those who could already play keertan, and put others on the side, maybe give tabla to them.

The kids with well-connected parents -- dads who were already kirtaniyeh or involved in Gurdwareh -- were getting prioritised with the best instruments while the nobodies like me were at the back of the queue with dodgy paper printouts of musical notes and keys.

Kids who'd been raised around the scene with access to instruments all their lives already had an advantage, and you'd think it was the instructor's duty to bring the rest of us up to speed. But no. It's like we didn't exist. Ironically, I go from a place where I was with "my own" people, and I'm utterly dejected at the dodgy personalities and favouritism, yet I return to my English junior school, and I'm offered lessons in either a brass instrument or the piano based on a quick audition to assess whether I have any capability. Yet, apparently, goreh keep us down. Sorry, I've only ever been kept down by people of my racial and religious background. Whites have always given me a fair shake of the stick.