God provides for all?

[GurjantGnostic]

Assumption rather. 

[MisterrSingh]

6 hours ago, GurjantGnostic said:

I think we're also making the conclusion that if they are suffering they have bad Karam. But it could just as easily be the opposite. 

Yes. It's a very common misconception that present suffering is the result of a previously self inflicted deed. We've taken the "reap what you sow" maxim as if no other karmic laws exist, and applied it to every instance or situation, because people don't possess the knowledge to appreciate the other laws in this area. 

Most of the times, according to this particular philosophy that's being discussed, it's a request on the individual's part to alleviate certain karmic debts so that the soul may progress. Of course, that's not an excuse for a third party bystander to display indifference or a lack of compassion when he sees someone suffering before his eyes.

Unless someone has direct knowledge of what exactly is at play (in a karmic sense) during such a moment (99.9% of people do not), only a cold-hearted imbecile would refuse to stir, and not try to offer assistance of some sort. A normal person without any cognition of the deeper issues at play would not be penalised or punished for helping. Using God's universal laws as a shield for one's own cowardice or indifference are the acts of demons, not the godly. The ignorant people can easily be fooled, but the Almighty realises the evil in a person's heart even when it's purporting to be in His name.

[GurjantGnostic]

8 minutes ago, MisterrSingh said:

Yes. It's a very common misconception that present suffering is the result of a previously self inflicted deed. We've taken the "reap what you sow" maxim as if no other karmic laws exist, and applied it to every instance or situation, because people don't possess the knowledge to appreciate the other laws in this area. 

Most of the times, according to this particular philosophy that's being discussed, it's a request on the individual's part to alleviate certain karmic debts so that the soul may progress. Of course, that's not an excuse for a third party bystander to display indifference or a lack of compassion when he sees someone suffering before his eyes.

Unless someone has direct knowledge of what exactly is at play (in a karmic sense) during such a moment (99.9% of people do not), only a cold-hearted imbecile would refuse to stir, and not try to offer assistance of some sort. A normal person without any cognition of the deeper issues at play would not be penalised or punished for helping. Using God's universal laws as a shield for one's own cowardice or indifference are the acts of demons, not the godly. The ignorant people can easily be fooled, but the Almighty realises the evil in a person's heart even when it's purporting to be in His name.

Amen Veer Ji. Well said. 

[Not2Cool2Argue]

On 8/28/2020 at 10:21 AM, puzzled said:

Why are there atheists who have so much wealth that they don't know what to do with it and they go mad/crazy, and then there are people who ask God daily for help but they are starving ? 

God provides to all regardless of our belief. He even provides to akirtghan. He wont deny what you deserve due to your karam because of your disbelief or belief in him.  Basically he is not petty.

He gives to all what they deserve.  The most just.  But i bet sometimes he forgives even tho they deserve it and shortens the suffering. 

How bad would we feel if God forgave indira ghandi in her next janam because she begged alot?

[jkvlondon]

On 8/31/2020 at 6:33 AM, MisterrSingh said:

Yes. It's a very common misconception that present suffering is the result of a previously self inflicted deed. We've taken the "reap what you sow" maxim as if no other karmic laws exist, and applied it to every instance or situation, because people don't possess the knowledge to appreciate the other laws in this area. 

Most of the times, according to this particular philosophy that's being discussed, it's a request on the individual's part to alleviate certain karmic debts so that the soul may progress. Of course, that's not an excuse for a third party bystander to display indifference or a lack of compassion when he sees someone suffering before his eyes.

Unless someone has direct knowledge of what exactly is at play (in a karmic sense) during such a moment (99.9% of people do not), only a cold-hearted imbecile would refuse to stir, and not try to offer assistance of some sort. A normal person without any cognition of the deeper issues at play would not be penalised or punished for helping. Using God's universal laws as a shield for one's own cowardice or indifference are the acts of demons, not the godly. The ignorant people can easily be fooled, but the Almighty realises the evil in a person's heart even when it's purporting to be in His name.

another point to consider- is why are you in this spectator situation ? Perhaps you owe karmic debt to the person and Waheguru ji has given you a chance to break/remove the debt thus the cycle tying you both to being born again to try to clear it again . we are born in groups of people who have known each other from before.

[puzzled]

On 9/1/2020 at 4:53 AM, Not2Cool2Argue said:

God provides to all regardless of our belief. He even provides to akirtghan. He wont deny what you deserve due to your karam because of your disbelief or belief in him.  Basically he is not petty.

He gives to all what they deserve.  The most just.  But i bet sometimes he forgives even tho they deserve it and shortens the suffering. 

How bad would we feel if God forgave indira ghandi in her next janam because she begged alot?

Some people are forgiven I guess. I heard a sakhi years ago, it was during either ram avtaar or krishan avtaar can't remember which one it was but one of them were sitting with their friend when the friend noticed a insect with broken legs trying to climb a wall but it's broken legs wouldn't allow it to. The friend then said to the avtaar to look at the struggling insect and the avtaar said that he knows the insect, he said the person was made into a celestial king with his own planet many times, life time after life time God would forgive him and make him into a king but each time he would never do any bhagti and would abuse his position, so in this lifetime he is a insect with broken legs. 

[Sat1]

On 8/30/2020 at 10:01 AM, Redoptics said:

All this is resolvable,  but the governments where this occurs,  do not want to resolve it. So is it a human problem,  which can be solved but the powers that be, do not want to resolve it.

True. Ideally there would be langar halls in these areas. No one should go hungry like that when billions are spent on space expeditions and the like. 

[Redoptics]

On 9/1/2020 at 11:16 PM, Sat1 said:

True. Ideally there would be langar halls in these areas. No one should go hungry like that when billions are spent on space expeditions and the like. 

There also has to be langar of the mind, people need to stop reading like parrots,  when there is a raho,  stop think about what has just been said and contemplate.