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Sangat jee, when I visit Punjab with my family, its extremely saddened to see the lack of Sikhi saroop and ideals amongst many of the youth (not all though.  I have seen many Sikhi saroop youngsters who are proud of who they are in Punjab).  Its common to see a youngsters engaging in kaam, and without kesh.  

 

Now, move beyond the state of Punjab.  If you travel outside of Punjab, you'll see something different.  In J and K, you'll see 100% Sikh youth all keeping their kesh, majority reading bani daily, and all keeping Sikhi saroop.  Just visit a gurdwara in the region, you will see not any Sikh with cut hair or even trimmed beard.  

Same in hazur sahib and patna sahib.  All the youth are dressed in bana, engaging in gatka, reading bani, depsite being minorities.  This goes for all over India, except in Punjab and Haryana I think.  I really want to visit these areas, everybody looks so majestic.

What are the sangats thoughts on this.  Even in a place like Assam, where Sikhs don't even make up .5% of the population, all Sikhs there are sarbat soorat.  It's like the farther away from Punjab you get, the more religious the Sikhs become.  Why is this the case.  A person would expect that Punjab would be the place where most of the youth are religious, but its the opposite.

 

Really looking forward to the sangats thoughts on this, as this topic is rarely discussed.  

 

 

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10 hours ago, Guest Learner Sikh said:

Sangat jee, when I visit Punjab with my family, its extremely saddened to see the lack of Sikhi saroop and ideals amongst many of the youth (not all though.  I have seen many Sikhi saroop youngsters who are proud of who they are in Punjab).  Its common to see a youngsters engaging in kaam, and without kesh.  

 

Now, move beyond the state of Punjab.  If you travel outside of Punjab, you'll see something different.  In J and K, you'll see 100% Sikh youth all keeping their kesh, majority reading bani daily, and all keeping Sikhi saroop.  Just visit a gurdwara in the region, you will see not any Sikh with cut hair or even trimmed beard.  

Same in hazur sahib and patna sahib.  All the youth are dressed in bana, engaging in gatka, reading bani, depsite being minorities.  This goes for all over India, except in Punjab and Haryana I think.  I really want to visit these areas, everybody looks so majestic.

What are the sangats thoughts on this.  Even in a place like Assam, where Sikhs don't even make up .5% of the population, all Sikhs there are sarbat soorat.  It's like the farther away from Punjab you get, the more religious the Sikhs become.  Why is this the case.  A person would expect that Punjab would be the place where most of the youth are religious, but its the opposite.

 

Really looking forward to the sangats thoughts on this, as this topic is rarely discussed.  

 

 

I got news for you - and this may come as a total shock to you - but..................50% of all human beings are females. That means 50% of all Sikhs are females. So........let's flip your argument articulated above and throw it back at you: 

How is it that it is extremely common to see Sikh females being amritdhari and wearing dastar in Punjab whereas in states outside Punjab (e.g Delhi, J&K etc) Sikhi and dastar wearing is almost universally viewed as something reserved only for men ? 

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On 9/4/2020 at 2:22 PM, Guest Jigsaw_Puzzled_Singh said:

I got news for you - and this may come as a total shock to you - but..................50% of all human beings are females. That means 50% of all Sikhs are females. So........let's flip your argument articulated above and throw it back at you: 

How is it that it is extremely common to see Sikh females being amritdhari and wearing dastar in Punjab whereas in states outside Punjab (e.g Delhi, J&K etc) Sikhi and dastar wearing is almost universally viewed as something reserved only for men ? 

I have lived in Delhi for 20 years(currently reside in maharashtra pursuing mbbs) and I completely agree with you. I don't know about Punjab but in Delhi, I remember once there was a sikh camp on importance of dastaar and 90% sikh females rejected turban and considered turban reserved for men only. Guru Gobind singh ji never made turban gender specific so why many sikh females have this mentality?

This doesn't stop here. Here in delhi, many sikh families(including amritdhari ones) allow daughters to do waxing, eyebrow removal etc but force their sons to wear turbans which causes them to hate sikhi and ultimately become clean shaven in adulthood. Sikh families need to stop this gender discrimination and make sikhi equally applicable to both sons and daughters and most importantly teach them sikhi instead of forcing religion through their throats. 

 

This is also one of the reasons why so many sikh women are marrying hindus, converting to hinduism after marriage and raising hindu kids. A sikh woman who herself doesn't keep proper kesh, why will she marry a gursikh whose lifestyle is contrary to hers unless she has a selfish reason(like sikh guy is rich, highly educated, nri etc)

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2 hours ago, Jonny101 said:

It happened because of the female demand of wanting to marry a clean shaven boy that men/teens began cutting their kesh and beard. All though we say all caste are the same but you can clearly see which girls belonging to which caste are demanding clean shaven boys the most. Jattis top the list. Khatri and RamGaria girls are much better in this regard which is why their boys are more Sabat Surat. J&K and Hazuri Sikhs are probably the best of Sikhs. A clean shaven Sikh is almost non existent in their ranks.

Even within regions there is a difference. Doaba is where you will find the most clean shaven boys followed by Majha. Within Punjab Sikhi is strongest in Malwa. Maybe it is due to the high degree of influence of Sants in Malwa

? Bruv...what planet do you actually live on ?  Isn't about time you took your blinkers off and noticed how it is almost exclusively Sikh females from a Jatt background that are wearing dastar whereas it is the Khatri and Ramgharia households that see the turban as something that only men must do ? I mean have you not noticed how all the khatri / afghan arora sikh men with turbans have sikh wives with their hair cut and dyed blonde and ginger or how the vast majority of ramgharia men with turbans have wives styled and dressed like Karen and Becky ? Has nobody ever told you that 50% of all Sikhs are females and - if you do know this - how is it that you're willing to discount half the populaton of Sikhs and only count one half when doing calculations in your head about the number that wear a turban ?  Seriously, you seem to be living in some topsy turvy upside down world where your eyes are seeing only what your mind wants to believe they're seeing.

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8 hours ago, Jonny101 said:

It happened because of the female demand of wanting to marry a clean shaven boy that men/teens began cutting their kesh and beard. All though we say all caste are the same but you can clearly see which girls belonging to which caste are demanding clean shaven boys the most. Jattis top the list. Khatri and RamGaria girls are much better in this regard which is why their boys are more Sabat Surat. J&K and Hazuri Sikhs are probably the best of Sikhs. A clean shaven Sikh is almost non existent in their ranks.

Even within regions there is a difference. Doaba is where you will find the most clean shaven boys followed by Majha. Within Punjab Sikhi is strongest in Malwa. Maybe it is due to the high degree of influence of Sants in Malwa

agreed.  Its sad to see how many people think the turban is gender specific.  But your right, in J and K and Hazur Sahib, along with many other places, its extremley rare to find a clean shaven sikh.  They take pride in that fact.  

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On 9/3/2020 at 10:53 PM, Guest Learner Sikh said:

Sangat jee, when I visit Punjab with my family, its extremely saddened to see the lack of Sikhi saroop and ideals amongst many of the youth (not all though.  I have seen many Sikhi saroop youngsters who are proud of who they are in Punjab).  Its common to see a youngsters engaging in kaam, and without kesh.  

 

Now, move beyond the state of Punjab.  If you travel outside of Punjab, you'll see something different.  In J and K, you'll see 100% Sikh youth all keeping their kesh, majority reading bani daily, and all keeping Sikhi saroop.  Just visit a gurdwara in the region, you will see not any Sikh with cut hair or even trimmed beard.  

Same in hazur sahib and patna sahib.  All the youth are dressed in bana, engaging in gatka, reading bani, depsite being minorities.  This goes for all over India, except in Punjab and Haryana I think.  I really want to visit these areas, everybody looks so majestic.

What are the sangats thoughts on this.  Even in a place like Assam, where Sikhs don't even make up .5% of the population, all Sikhs there are sarbat soorat.  It's like the farther away from Punjab you get, the more religious the Sikhs become.  Why is this the case.  A person would expect that Punjab would be the place where most of the youth are religious, but its the opposite.

 

Really looking forward to the sangats thoughts on this, as this topic is rarely discussed.  

 

 

 

On 9/4/2020 at 9:52 AM, Guest Jigsaw_Puzzled_Singh said:

I got news for you - and this may come as a total shock to you - but..................50% of all human beings are females. That means 50% of all Sikhs are females. So........let's flip your argument articulated above and throw it back at you: 

How is it that it is extremely common to see Sikh females being amritdhari and wearing dastar in Punjab whereas in states outside Punjab (e.g Delhi, J&K etc) Sikhi and dastar wearing is almost universally viewed as something reserved only for men ? 

 

11 hours ago, DelhiTurbanator said:

I have lived in Delhi for 20 years(currently reside in maharashtra pursuing mbbs) and I completely agree with you. I don't know about Punjab but in Delhi, I remember once there was a sikh camp on importance of dastaar and 90% sikh females rejected turban and considered turban reserved for men only. Guru Gobind singh ji never made turban gender specific so why many sikh females have this mentality?

This doesn't stop here. Here in delhi, many sikh families(including amritdhari ones) allow daughters to do waxing, eyebrow removal etc but force their sons to wear turbans which causes them to hate sikhi and ultimately become clean shaven in adulthood. Sikh families need to stop this gender discrimination and make sikhi equally applicable to both sons and daughters and most importantly teach them sikhi instead of forcing religion through their throats. 

 

This is also one of the reasons why so many sikh women are marrying hindus, converting to hinduism after marriage and raising hindu kids. A sikh woman who herself doesn't keep proper kesh, why will she marry a gursikh whose lifestyle is contrary to hers unless she has a selfish reason(like sikh guy is rich, highly educated, nri etc)

Same people with different ids. Stop fooling around. 

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11 hours ago, Jonny101 said:

It happened because of the female demand of wanting to marry a clean shaven boy that men/teens began cutting their kesh and beard. All though we say all caste are the same but you can clearly see which girls belonging to which caste are demanding clean shaven boys the most. Jattis top the list. Khatri and RamGaria girls are much better in this regard which is why their boys are more Sabat Surat. J&K and Hazuri Sikhs are probably the best of Sikhs. A clean shaven Sikh is almost non existent in their ranks.

Even within regions there is a difference. Doaba is where you will find the most clean shaven boys followed by Majha. Within Punjab Sikhi is strongest in Malwa. Maybe it is due to the high degree of influence of Sants in Malwa

Why do these girls have fondness for clean shaven boys? What of the brothers, are they not into dastars and kakaars? 

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20 hours ago, Jonny101 said:

All though we say all caste are the same but you can clearly see which girls belonging to which caste are demanding clean shaven boys the most. Jattis top the list. Khatri and RamGaria girls are much better in this regard which is why their boys are more Sabat Surat. J&K and Hazuri Sikhs are probably the best of Sikhs. A clean shaven Sikh is almost non existent in their ranks

Also Jonny Ji the Kashmiri Sikhs are mostly of Brahmin ancestry (like most of the Kashmiri Muslim terrorists too) and the Delhi Sikhs are mostly of Khatri, Arora and Labana ancestry and the Sikhs closest to Hazur Sahib are mostly of Dravidian and Sikligar ancestry.

Whereas the Jatt qaum mostly being 80% Muslim and Hindu that has perhaps influenced Jatts towards being more clean shaven.

But yes with 40% of Sikhs claiming Jatt ancestry then the trend towards alcoholism and drugs and lack of interest in education is sad.

United we stand but divided we fall. So if Jatts fall prey to these trends they have negative consequences for the whole Sikh Panth.

The best way I can think of fighting these trends is by uniting the Sikh community under one Gurdwara per pind or the future is bleak.

 

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On 9/3/2020 at 10:53 PM, Guest Learner Sikh said:

Sangat jee, when I visit Punjab with my family, its extremely saddened to see the lack of Sikhi saroop and ideals amongst many of the youth (not all though.  I have seen many Sikhi saroop youngsters who are proud of who they are in Punjab).  Its common to see a youngsters engaging in kaam, and without kesh.  

 

Now, move beyond the state of Punjab.  If you travel outside of Punjab, you'll see something different.  In J and K, you'll see 100% Sikh youth all keeping their kesh, majority reading bani daily, and all keeping Sikhi saroop.  Just visit a gurdwara in the region, you will see not any Sikh with cut hair or even trimmed beard.  

Same in hazur sahib and patna sahib.  All the youth are dressed in bana, engaging in gatka, reading bani, depsite being minorities.  This goes for all over India, except in Punjab and Haryana I think.  I really want to visit these areas, everybody looks so majestic.

What are the sangats thoughts on this.  Even in a place like Assam, where Sikhs don't even make up .5% of the population, all Sikhs there are sarbat soorat.  It's like the farther away from Punjab you get, the more religious the Sikhs become.  Why is this the case.  A person would expect that Punjab would be the place where most of the youth are religious, but its the opposite.

 

Really looking forward to the sangats thoughts on this, as this topic is rarely discussed.  

 

 

With a Singh from outside Punjab like Delhi, Bombay etc to be honest I don't see a Sikh a lot of times, I see a Keshdari Hindu. 

It is very hard to explain, it is not the tangibles like Kesh and Dastaar. It's the intangibles of how to come across in body language, your energy, presence etc.

Metro Sikhs and non Punjab Sikhs likely to be in a minority so the physical identity is more important. 

Sikhs in Punjab are not in a tiny minority so probably get complacent. Plus they are unique on the subcontinent as they don't get their cues from Delhi and Bombay but from other diaspora countries. 

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