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1 minute ago, Redoptics said:

says who that one report you read? Do you even know the reason why they got popcorn lungs?

because vaping actually opens the aveoli more so penetrate deeper into the lungs and the condensate is unable to be cleared properly resulting in flavorings pooling and irritating those tiny air passages causing inflammation hampering gas exchange and ultimately scarring totally blocking the exchange , when this happens  you need new lungs

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1 minute ago, jkvlondon said:

because vaping actually opens the aveoli more so penetrate deeper into the lungs and the condensate is unable to be cleared properly resulting in flavorings pooling and irritating those tiny air passages causing inflammation hampering gas exchange and ultimately scarring totally blocking the exchange , when this happens  you need new lungs

Actually what happened,  the people in question didn't change their atomizers after the stated two weeks, think they didnt change it, for several months. They were inhaling droplets of of hot liquid, thus caused the issue with their lungs.

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After workers at a factory that packaged microwave popcorn were found to have bronchiolitis obliterans more often than other people, some companies stopped using diacetyl as a flavoring. But it's still used in some electronic cigarette flavors in the US. Many e-cigarette makers state they aren't using this chemical in their products and its use in e-cigarettes is banned in Europe.

Another common cause is acetaldehyde, a chemical found in the smoke from marijuana and some electronic cigarettes. Acetaldehyde also can damage the lining of your mouth, throat, and stomach.

Other chemicals that can cause popcorn lung include:

  • Metal oxide fumes, a common byproduct of welding
  • Formaldehyde, a cancer-causing chemical used in some glues and building materials
  • Sulfur dioxide, a pollutant released by burning fossil fuels
  • Ammonia
  • Chlorine
  • Nitrogen oxides
  • Hydrochloric acid
  • Sulfur mustard, a chemical weapon known as "mustard gas"

The changing of cartridges would have only slowed the development as it is the exposure to the chemicals that irritate and inflame the aveoli

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1 minute ago, jkvlondon said:

After workers at a factory that packaged microwave popcorn were found to have bronchiolitis obliterans more often than other people, some companies stopped using diacetyl as a flavoring. But it's still used in some electronic cigarette flavors in the US. Many e-cigarette makers state they aren't using this chemical in their products and its use in e-cigarettes is banned in Europe.

Another common cause is acetaldehyde, a chemical found in the smoke from marijuana and some electronic cigarettes. Acetaldehyde also can damage the lining of your mouth, throat, and stomach.

Other chemicals that can cause popcorn lung include:

  • Metal oxide fumes, a common byproduct of welding
  • Formaldehyde, a cancer-causing chemical used in some glues and building materials
  • Sulfur dioxide, a pollutant released by burning fossil fuels
  • Ammonia
  • Chlorine
  • Nitrogen oxides
  • Hydrochloric acid
  • Sulfur mustard, a chemical weapon known as "mustard gas"

The changing of cartridges would have only slowed the development as it is the exposure to the chemicals that irritate and inflame the aveoli

Yes and they have changed the chemicals to meet UK requirements.

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24 minutes ago, Ranjeet01 said:

The alcohol lobby has a lot of clout with the government and media, so it will be very difficult to ban in advertising. Though not impossible. 

Banning Smoking advertising does not really stop people from indulging either. It just shifts it underground away from public eyes. 

That's the thing though isnt it. It's like how America bombed afghanistan yet left the poppy fields standing!  That's why the drug "smuggling" from Afghanistan to Pakistan and then Punjab and the rest of India is not being stopped.

 Movies and music videos make people curious and want to try that stuff, it actually encourages people.

In Pubjabi/indian movies before the movie they make an announcement that alcohol and smoking is injurious to your health. Yet then they show characters partying and having "fun" 

 

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3 minutes ago, puzzled said:

In Pubjabi/indian movies before the movie they make an announcement that alcohol and smoking is injurious to your health. Yet then they show characters partying and having "fun" 

 

I think the onus should be on the individual to exert restraint and self control. Showing a character with particular habits and doing certain acts shouldn't be an endorsement to the audience to follow suit.

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Rappers and the whole rap culture that teens including pubjabi teens look upto basically promotes drugs.

These rappers are the worst kind of people that any kid can look up to. 

Just money, s3x and drugs and that's it. That is all they rap about, talk about and that's all they post photos of on social media. 

Rappers are a disgrace, theres videos of some actually p1ssing on heaps of $$$  basically showing that they have so much money that they can even p1ss on it. 

What a disgrace. And that is what kids look up to these days. 

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10 minutes ago, puzzled said:

That's the thing though isnt it. It's like how America bombed afghanistan yet left the poppy fields standing!  That's why the drug "smuggling" from Afghanistan to Pakistan and then Punjab and the rest of India is not being stopped.

 Movies and music videos make people curious and want to try that stuff, it actually encourages people.

In Pubjabi/indian movies before the movie they make an announcement that alcohol and smoking is injurious to your health. Yet then they show characters partying and having "fun" 

 

Smoking in the UK has not stopped even though it is injurious to your health. People are aware of it through all the advertising attempts. 

If you go into a shop, you have those shutters so people cannot see the cigarettes. 

The government makes billions out of taxes from cigarette revenue, so they play a double game. 

Advertise that it is bad for you and make money at the same time.

They have done a cost/benefit analysis. The tax revenue from cigarettes is more than the cost to the NHS for heart disease and cancer. 

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5 minutes ago, puzzled said:

Rappers and the whole rap culture that teens including pubjabi teens look upto basically promotes drugs.

These rappers are the worst kind of people that any kid can look up to. 

Just money, s3x and drugs and that's it. That is all they rap about, talk about and that's all they post photos of on social media. 

Rappers are a disgrace, theres videos of some actually p1ssing on heaps of $$$  basically showing that they have so much money that they can even p1ss on it. 

What a disgrace. And that is what kids look up to these days. 

True, true. When the target population is impressionable and easily led, to put it kindly lol, some type of censorious measures might need to be implemented.

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7 minutes ago, puzzled said:

Rappers and the whole rap culture that teens including pubjabi teens look upto basically promotes drugs.

These rappers are the worst kind of people that any kid can look up to. 

Just money, s3x and drugs and that's it. That is all they rap about, talk about and that's all they post photos of on social media. 

Rappers are a disgrace, theres videos of some actually p1ssing on heaps of $$$  basically showing that they have so much money that they can even p1ss on it. 

What a disgrace. And that is what kids look up to these days. 

Its always been s.x, drugs and rock n roll nothing has changed 

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3 hours ago, MisterrSingh said:

I think the onus should be on the individual to exert restraint and self control. Showing a character with particular habits and doing certain acts shouldn't be an endorsement to the audience to follow suit.

But if you think about it if you come from a family/culture that doesn't see alcohol or even minor drugs as a bad thing then the person watching wouldn't feel the need to restrain or try to control their urges or curiosity. 

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3 hours ago, Ranjeet01 said:

Smoking in the UK has not stopped even though it is injurious to your health. People are aware of it through all the advertising attempts. 

If you go into a shop, you have those shutters so people cannot see the cigarettes. 

The government makes billions out of taxes from cigarette revenue, so they play a double game. 

Advertise that it is bad for you and make money at the same time.

They have done a cost/benefit analysis. The tax revenue from cigarettes is more than the cost to the NHS for heart disease and cancer. 

Ita the addiction isnt, starts of as curiosity or socialising and then it becomes a addiction, and that's what the governments feed on.

What do you think of the situation in Punjab? Is it as bad as the media makes it out to be? I know alcohol is a big problem especially among men in their 50s and 60s, but what about the drug problem?  

See when i started going India I thought i would see men looking like heroin addicts everywhere, but that's not obviously the case. I know a lot of them do some minor stuff but what about the serious heroin addiction that Punjab supposedly has?  I really didnt see much of that, unless it's a regional thing and people nearer to the border have more of an issue. 

I'm not saying there's not an issue, every country has a problem with drugs, but to make out as if everyone is as heroin addict doesnt seem to be the case.

In some places government sponsored media portray certain populations with a negative image and people actually start behaving how the media/news is actually portraying them. 

From what iv seen alcohol seems to be a much bigger problem than drugs. You literally get a bottle for 100 rupees, even a begger can afford that! 

But then again I only go for a month ... 

What do you think of all of it? 

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3 hours ago, Redoptics said:

Its always been s.x, drugs and rock n roll nothing has changed 

True, every decade whatever genre of music is popular among the youth it just is all about that stuff.

Rap music promotes violence though, a bit like the turn that Pubjabi music has taken in the last few years. 

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32 minutes ago, puzzled said:

Ita the addiction isnt, starts of as curiosity or socialising and then it becomes a addiction, and that's what the governments feed on.

What do you think of the situation in Punjab? Is it as bad as the media makes it out to be? I know alcohol is a big problem especially among men in their 50s and 60s, but what about the drug problem?  

See when i started going India I thought i would see men looking like heroin addicts everywhere, but that's not obviously the case. I know a lot of them do some minor stuff but what about the serious heroin addiction that Punjab supposedly has?  I really didnt see much of that, unless it's a regional thing and people nearer to the border have more of an issue. 

I'm not saying there's not an issue, every country has a problem with drugs, but to make out as if everyone is as heroin addict doesnt seem to be the case.

In some places government sponsored media portray certain populations with a negative image and people actually start behaving how the media/news is actually portraying them. 

From what iv seen alcohol seems to be a much bigger problem than drugs. You literally get a bottle for 100 rupees, even a begger can afford that! 

But then again I only go for a month ... 

What do you think of all of it? 

Punjab has a culture of heavy drinking. I think it is something in Punjabi DNA, we seem to have addictive personalities, in that as a people if we get interested in something we become completely obsessed with it.

We are type of people that live on the extremes, either we have highs and lows, we love the rollercoasters.

The drug problem I do not much about, but I think because it is not as open as the drinking, some people can find it hard to believe. Clearly Punjab has a drug problem but I think we have a tendency for hyperbole and probably make it more than it really is.

It is said that the people who don't drink, take drugs.

Unfortunately, I do not know how many drug rehab facilities there are in Punjab to ascertain the how deep the drug culture is.

 

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56 minutes ago, puzzled said:

But if you think about it if you come from a family/culture that doesn't see alcohol or even minor drugs as a bad thing then the person watching wouldn't feel the need to restrain or try to control their urges or curiosity. 

Yes, sure, bug I'm referring to the average, impressionable person from a sober and "clean" background. Those exposed to these vices in reality don't need a show or film to reinforce this behaviour in order for it to appeal to them. 

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