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What is it with these protests. Regarding the police shooting of a black man. Where these protests justified or going over the top? On one hand you have innocent blacks being arrested by the police for no reason. Then you have other type who are going over the top without good reason. 

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Asians get more racism , more violent attacks less employment opportunities.Asians are less likely to be friended by europeans than black people.How many asian pundits are there for cricket.What is the cricket player/pundit ratio.Does an Asian history month exist.If the majority of violent encounters with police are from black people,then more black people will be hurt by the police.Gujrati people are not violent with police.not many gujrati women have been killed by the police

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2 hours ago, Big_Tera said:

What is it with these protests. Regarding the police shooting of a black man. Where these protests justified or going over the top? On one hand you have innocent blacks being arrested by the police for no reason. Then you have other type who are going over the top without good reason. 

Black people of African descent and white western European people have a long history in the US. Many American white people resent and hate black people and see them as inferior beings. Many black people feel their ancestors played a big part in the development of the country (albeit through slavery) and have been largely written out of the countries 'history'. It's irrefutable that black people (male and female)  have been on the receiving end of extreme violence by whites (both joe averages and those in power positions) for a long time. Lynchings and 'fit ups' weren't uncommon only a few decades ago. The Klu Klux Klan and neo-nazis are still about in numbers there. During slavery times, white men essentially owned the black women on the plantations, whilst a black man who had any relationship with a white women was usually tortured or killed  (or both). They have been fighting against this systematic oppression for some time. What I think has happened is that the racism against blacks in the US (which is endemic) had become more covert. 

I think you need to see what has happened in both historical context, as well as the modern 'on the ground' situation. This isn't just about a few black guys being murdered by the police in recent times, it has deeper longer history in my opinion. 

I think black people are doing a wonderful and brave job in highlighting their grievances.   I think Sikhs could learn a thing or two about this from them in this department. 

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All lives matter does not stand for what it's named as. If it did, all lives matter would be standing with not against the black lives matter movement. It's just a way to tell black folk to quiet down and keep getting murdered. 

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Wasn't one of BLM's manifesto points about breaking up the family?

Was it not found by three miltant black marxist lesbian feminists?

Most of the blacks getting murdered are black men, lesbians don't really care about men so who are they really campaigning for?

Most of those BLM protest marches have more white people in it (Antifa gets mixed up in it, I sometimes wonder if they are the same organisation)

 

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1 hour ago, Ranjeet01 said:

Wasn't one of BLM's manifesto points about breaking up the family?

Was it not found by three miltant black marxist lesbian feminists?

Most of the blacks getting murdered are black men, lesbians don't really care about men so who are they really campaigning for?

Most of those BLM protest marches have more white people in it (Antifa gets mixed up in it, I sometimes wonder if they are the same organisation)

 

There's a difference between the organization and the concept or movement. But yeah, been co-opted like usual. Doesn't change the fact that black lives do matter and extrajudicial killings gotta stop. 

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1 hour ago, GurjantGnostic said:

There's a difference between the organization and the concept or movement. But yeah, been co-opted like usual. Doesn't change the fact that black lives do matter and extrajudicial killings gotta stop. 

This is the problem with the proposed solutions  with 'policing'.

For every bad officer, there are plenty of more good police officers. 

Been listening to a lot of podcasts and interviews regarding policing and there is agreement that there needs to be better training and better filtration of better candidates. 

The BLM are talking about de-funding police, but what does that even mean?

If you stop funding for policing, there is no law and order and it gets worse. 

You get more crime, those areas become no go areas and who are the perpetrators, they are black. Who are the victims, they are black. More blacks get killed. 

You end up with a worse problem than before. 

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3 hours ago, Ranjeet01 said:

This is the problem with the proposed solutions  with 'policing'.

For every bad officer, there are plenty of more good police officers. 

Been listening to a lot of podcasts and interviews regarding policing and there is agreement that there needs to be better training and better filtration of better candidates. 

The BLM are talking about de-funding police, but what does that even mean?

If you stop funding for policing, there is no law and order and it gets worse. 

You get more crime, those areas become no go areas and who are the perpetrators, they are black. Who are the victims, they are black. More blacks get killed. 

You end up with a worse problem than before. 

The so called good cops are standing quietly behind the blue line backing their comrades who commit racially motivated murder etc. When their voice is the loudest about abhorrent police practices, then they'll be good cops. Until then they're complicit. 

 

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25 minutes ago, GurjantGnostic said:

The so called good cops are standing quietly behind the blue line backing their comrades who commit racially motivated murder etc. When their voice is the loudest about abhorrent police practices, then they'll be good cops. Until then they're complicit. 

 

Do you have any stats to prove that all black perpetrators that are killed by police encounters are racially motivated. 

Maybe some of them are not racially motivated.

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20 minutes ago, Ranjeet01 said:

Do you have any stats to prove that all black perpetrators that are killed by police encounters are racially motivated. 

Maybe some of them are not racially motivated.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/585152/people-shot-to-death-by-us-police-by-race/

Some interesting stats here. Since 2017, police killing of civilians is going down. More whites are killed, but in proportion rate more blacks are killed by the police. 

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Number of murder victims in the United States in 2019, by race/ethnicity and gender

 
  Total Male Female Unknown
Total 13,927 10,908 2,991 28
White 5,787 4,026 1,759 2
Black 7,484 6,446 1,035 3
Other race 422 280 140 2
Unknown race 234 156 57 21
Hispanic or Latino 2,193 1,768 425 0
Not Hispanic or Latino 8,881 6,975 1,900 6
Unknown 1,808 1,373 425

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1 hour ago, Ranjeet01 said:

Looking at these stats. The murder rate is very high for blacks in the US.

90 percent of blacks are murdered by other blacks.

I don't know where you're going with this, but we can also say most kharkhus killed during the Khalistani lehar were killed by other Sikhs (in the police). Does this mean Sikhs are some violent criminal group or the grievances of  the kharkus are invalid?

I don't why you feel like you have to be some mouth-piece defending whites against black grievances - it's not like your own people don't have enough of their own battles to contend with???

You sound like you'd be one of those serfs whites wheel out to support their own agenda, when they are challenged - all for a few rupees. 

Lack of economic opportunity, systemic racism, social policies (and more) could all contribute to why the murder rate amongst blacks is higher in the US. Using the stats to try and deflect from black concerns is just plain obfuscation in my opinion.

 

  

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6 minutes ago, dallysingh101 said:

I don't know where you're going with this, but we can also say most kharkhus killed during the Khalistani lehar were killed by other Sikhs (in the police). Does this mean Sikhs are some violent criminal group or the grievances of  the kharkus are invalid?

I don't why you feel like you have to be some mouth-piece defending whites against black grievances - it's not like your own people don't have enough of their own battles to contend with???

You sound like you'd be one of those serfs whites wheel out to support their own agenda, when they are challenged - all for a few rupees. 

Lack of economic opportunity, systemic racism, social policies (and more) could all contribute to why the murder rate amongst blacks is higher in the US. Using the stats to try and deflect from black concerns is just plain obfuscation in my opinion.

 

  

Black concerns are valid.

If there is going to be an honest conversation regarding black life regarding specifically police brutality then yes.

However, you are talking about black life then it is a bigger conversation. 

There are a lot of black voices who live in these neighbourhoods that are asking questions on black on black murders.

The reality is the black murder rate is very high and they are killing each other,far more than cops killing blacks.

If a cop kills a black perpertrator who has no choice but to defend themselves and kill that assailant (maybe because the black guy is a drug dealer and is armed ), then it is going to be seen as a racist killer and then riots will ensue.

What results is that cops don't bother entering those neighbourhoods. Those neighbourhoods go downhill very fast. 

That is the elephant in the room.

There are blacks that are asking these questions, we only hear from the race hustlers on the media because it suits an agenda.

 

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