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1 hour ago, Ranjeet01 said:

The ascension happened when we took on the temporal element and combined it with the spiritual element and became sant-sipahis.

The adoption of the temporal side is when we became sant-sipahis rather than merely sants.

It made us more complete.

 

 

 

 

24 minutes ago, MisterrSingh said:

Gurmat prescribes Sarbat da Bhalla, "For the Benefit of All."

Gurmat endorses the actions of the venerable Bhai Khanaiya, the Sikh who tended to his own side's opponents on the battlefield, nursing them back to health and allowing them to recover and rejoin the fight, rendering the efforts of his fellow Sikhs fruitless, no doubt costing Sikh warrior lives in the process. Manmat, according to Gurbani, is the opposite of the actions of Bhai Khanaiya, i.e. allowing the enemy to die.

So exactly how do we win this if the above is Gurmat, because unless I'm missing something, what Bhai Khanaiya did was undoubtedly Gurmat, but if every Sikh is expected to follow that example in similar situations, then there is simply no point in even waking up in the morning.

I feel like we are ignorant of some of the means and ways that the original forces surrounding the Gurus emanated and came together.  

I'm just more interested in that than being jealous of unscrupulous means and methods used by other groups. 

And if we adopt their ways it defeats the purpose. 

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Never ever trust suls.

https://www.oneindia.com/international/taken-away-from-psgpc-imran-khan-govt-gives-control-of-kartarpur-gurudwara-to-muslim-body-3172591.html

I said last year, don't fall for the Muslim charm tactics when Sikhs were practically falling over themselves to matha tek to Imran Khan. You WILL be betrayed. One year on... there you go.  We ne

29 minutes ago, MisterrSingh said:

Gurmat prescribes Sarbat da Bhalla, "For the Benefit of All."

Gurmat endorses the actions of the venerable Bhai Khanaiya, the Sikh who tended to his own side's opponents on the battlefield, nursing them back to health and allowing them to recover and rejoin the fight, rendering the efforts of his fellow Sikhs fruitless, no doubt costing Sikh warrior lives in the process. Manmat, according to Gurbani, is the opposite of the actions of Bhai Khanaiya, i.e. allowing the enemy to die.

So exactly how do we win this if the above is Gurmat, because unless I'm missing something, what Bhai Khanaiya did was undoubtedly Gurmat, but if every Sikh is expected to follow that example in similar situations, then there is simply no point in even waking up in the morning.

Here is another example for GurjantGnostic. 

The Hindus used to have rules for warfare. They were only allowed to fight when it was daytime when it was light. Once it got dark, they put down their weapons and went back to camp and then fought next day.

This did not work when the invading muslims came because they did not follow those rules. They took advantage and attacked at night. 

When you come against a foe who does not follow your rules,  you are fighting at a disadvantage no matter how noble you are.

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4 minutes ago, GurjantGnostic said:

 

I feel like we are ignorant of some of the means and ways that the original forces surrounding the Gurus emanated and came together.  

I'm just more interested in that than being jealous of unscrupulous means and methods used by other groups. 

And if we adopt their ways it defeats the purpose. 

It's not about being jealous of their unscrupulous methods.

It is understanding their unscrupulous methods and countering them.

Even better still is to put things in place to make it difficult for those unscrupulous methods to transpire in the first place.

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54 minutes ago, Ranjeet01 said:

When you come against a foe who does not follow your rules,  you are fighting at a disadvantage no matter how noble you are.

The rules of engagement should only be adhered to when both sides are playing the same game. Two sides, two sets of rules, and two games just isn't doable, and that's putting it politely. 

If you want spiritual liberation through adherence to a lofty, heavenly moral and ethical framework, I'd argue the battlefield is not a place for that particular individual. 

ONLY in times of moral and ethical purity -- whereby both sides enthusiastically embrace a code of conduct regardless of the enmity between the two sides -- does such conduct come close to being enacted as something that's non-negotiable. Per Vedic mythology, the war where these values were abandoned was the battle of the Mahabharata! That was a war between family members! 

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1 hour ago, Ranjeet01 said:

Here is another example for GurjantGnostic. 

The Hindus used to have rules for warfare. They were only allowed to fight when it was daytime when it was light. Once it got dark, they put down their weapons and went back to camp and then fought next day.

This did not work when the invading muslims came because they did not follow those rules. They took advantage and attacked at night. 

When you come against a foe who does not follow your rules,  you are fighting at a disadvantage no matter how noble you are.

I support irregular, asymetrical and informational warfare bro. I just think it should be gone about in a way we've forgotten. 

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8 hours ago, GurjantGnostic said:

I support irregular, asymetrical and informational warfare bro. I just think it should be gone about in a way we've forgotten. 

The art of politics can be even worse. 

We don't have leverage and we are beholden to two belligerants and that is not in our favour.

We are stuck between a rock and a hard place.

The Pakistanis know that there are Sikh holy sites on their territory and know very well that Sikhs would run to look after these sites. They will use this to their advantage. 

The act of generosity to have PGPC set up to look after Kartarpur Sahib is a big ruse because they did not have to do that in the first place because they could have given that to whatever muslim body if they chose to do so.

Imran Khan and Pakistan at this moment are big fan boys of Turkey and Erdogan and seen what they did to Hagia Sophia and turning it back into a mosque (originally a church in the East Roman Empire).

The only game we Sikhs can play in our part of Punjab is to disband the waqf board and have SGPC manage those old muslim sites. 

But we know that SGPC is controlled by other shadowy orgs. Even better would be to have some radical hindu outfit to have access to those old muslim sites.

That would really put the cat among the pigeons. 

 

 

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I think we should start thinking that SGPC, Akal Takht are no longer with panth. They're sold out or behind them are RSS/Brahmins orgs. Neither are no politicians in Punjab or elsewhere in diaspora we are not powerful as other religious groups. 

We are on our own 😔

 

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15 minutes ago, Kau89r8 said:

I think we should start thinking that SGPC, Akal Takht are no longer with panth. They're sold out or behind them are RSS/Brahmins orgs. Neither are no politicians in Punjab or elsewhere in diaspora we are not powerful as other religious groups. 

We are on our own 😔

 

Reality of the political sphere is that you cannot really isolate yourself. You make yourself a bigger target.

We need to understand the ground realities of the situation.

What us in our interests.

The hindus themselves are not one monolith. 

There are anti-Hindu hindus as well.

It could be that we may need to make alliances. 

It also can be the case that these other parties will need to curry favour with us as they attempt to leverage each other.

This is the nature of politics. 

 

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2 hours ago, Kau89r8 said:

 

 

 

 

You know this is dig at Sikhs when they say urdu > punjabi and calling us ganwar lool

At least Bangladeshis are proud of speaking Bengali.

Punjabi is a separate language and they mix in Urdu/Hindi words. It is also much older.

Urdu and Hindi are spoken the same.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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On 11/7/2020 at 8:06 AM, Ranjeet01 said:

 

The Pakistanis know that there are Sikh holy sites on their territory and know very well that Sikhs would run to look after these sites. They will use this to their advantage. 

The act of generosity to have PGPC set up to look after Kartarpur Sahib is a big ruse because they did not have to do that in the first place because they could have given that to whatever muslim body if they chose to do so.

Imran Khan and Pakistan at this moment are big fan boys of Turkey and Erdogan and seen what they did to Hagia Sophia and turning it back into a mosque (originally a church in the East Roman Empire).

 

Thought Imran Khan is secularist . His history does not tell us he is religious 

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4 hours ago, Premi5 said:

Thought Imran Khan is secularist . His history does not tell us he is religious 

For politics and to remain in power as PM, he knows he needs to kowtow to the Islamic hardliners, so he will play that card and put on the pious act.

Also remember being a secularist in a muslim country is not the same as being a secularist in a kaffir country. He probably very secular in front to Islamists but he would be Islamic in front of a kaffir.

A non-religious Muslim will still side with an Islamist over a kaffir.

 

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