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Do Sikhs over celebrate Bandi Chorr Diwas/Diwali?

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15 minutes ago, MisterrSingh said:

Sounds like Ancient Punjab, tbh. ūüėā

ūü§£¬† just had a laughing fit lmao¬†

Its true though 

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What isn't over celebrated these days so that I looks like you have an amazing life on social media? In a way was glad the gurdwara was restricted this year so that it was about going to the gurdwara and having darshan..as opposed to watching people budge each other out of the way to light candles while sucking their faces in while doing vacuous selfies.

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12 hours ago, puzzled said:

Where abouts do you live? Over here in Sikh/Hindu areas fireworks go on till after midnight lol 

In southeast Asia ji.Prefer to keep the location gupt.Very few sikhs here.Used to have about 20000 but then many migrated to Canada and australia.So left with about 8000 to 9000 sikhs.

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11 hours ago, puzzled said:

I wouldn't be surprised if people send Diwali cards or messages with images of Diwali babes on them lol! Like how you have those cheeky Christmas Cards and messages with girls on them lol, unless it's already happening. 

Nagar Kirtans are the same, everyone goes there to socialize and eat lol when we were in School everyone used to go there to meet up with their gf/bf. Boys also used to organize fights lol! 

The nagar kirtan ended at Ramgharia Gurdwara and there used to be a mela in the park opposite, a lot of the uncles used to drink alcohol near the bushes.

Basically Nagar Kirtans are like Punjabi carnivals.  

We never had a Nagar Kirtan in my country before.I had to go to Malaysia to see one lol.

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4 hours ago, Shaheed4life said:

We never had a Nagar Kirtan in my country before.I had to go to Malaysia to see one lol.

Are you Singaporean 

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What I meant in my original post was if Sikhs give too much importance to Diwali/Bandi Chorr Diwas. Is it really a big important event in Sikh history? There are more significant events in my opinion.

It seems that someone just decided to tie in Bandi Chorr Diwas and Diwali together so that we Sikhs didn't feel left out when the Hindus were celebrating.

It's a bit like how the European Christians replaced their pagan winter solstice festival with Christmas. They felt guilty to celebrate their old pre-Christian festival so decided to give it a different meaning that fit their new religion but the dates do not match. 

 

 

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18 minutes ago, ChardikalaUK said:

What I meant in my original post was if Sikhs give too much importance to Diwali/Bandi Chorr Diwas. Is it really a big important event in Sikh history? There are more significant events in my opinion.

It seems that someone just decided to tie in Bandi Chorr Diwas and Diwali together so that we Sikhs didn't feel left out when the Hindus were celebrating.

It's a bit like how the European Christians replaced their pagan winter solstice festival with Christmas. They felt guilty to celebrate their old pre-Christian festival so decided to give it a different meaning that fit their new religion but the dates do not match. 

 

 

it is a sikh historical event which happened around that time of year simple no compensatory backstory .

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1 hour ago, ChardikalaUK said:

What I meant in my original post was if Sikhs give too much importance to Diwali/Bandi Chorr Diwas. Is it really a big important event in Sikh history? There are more significant events in my opinion.

It seems that someone just decided to tie in Bandi Chorr Diwas and Diwali together so that we Sikhs didn't feel left out when the Hindus were celebrating.

It's a bit like how the European Christians replaced their pagan winter solstice festival with Christmas. They felt guilty to celebrate their old pre-Christian festival so decided to give it a different meaning that fit their new religion but the dates do not match. 

You're right and I agree. I mentioned something similar a while ago. 

It shouldn't detract from a valid and indisputable Sikh historical event, but it is slightly diminished (the perception of it rather than its actual existence) when it seems like a face-saving event so we aren't "left out" of the wider Hindu celebrations. 

Don't get me wrong, I treasure Indian mythology, literature, and the divine pantheon, etc., but most of our people are very literal, and as India continues to reinforce its cultural and political dominance over Sikhs through various means, our distinct survival hinges on the idea of our uniqueness. Sharing these religious days may seem trivial now, but it is setting us up for a future of lazy, pick-and-choose ambiguity. The orthodox know the score, yet it's that huge grey, laissez-faire mass in the middle that will let the side down.

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8 hours ago, Shaheed4life said:

We never had a Nagar Kirtan in my country before.I had to go to Malaysia to see one lol.

Malaysia is a Muslim country. How many Sikhs are there?

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2 hours ago, jkvlondon said:

If Hindus know why we celebrate why do we have doubts ?

 

The vast majority of Hindus do not know this. I would say over 90% don't know. I reckon around 50% of western Sikhs don't know the reason we celebrate it either.

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3 hours ago, jkvlondon said:

it is a sikh historical event which happened around that time of year simple no compensatory backstory .

So why celebrate in a very similar way to the way Hindus celebrate Diwali, with fireworks, lighting candles etc.

And in terms of importance is it up there with Vaisakhi and Guru Nanak's Gurpurab? The celebrations certainly make it look so. 

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1 hour ago, ChardikalaUK said:

So why celebrate in a very similar way to the way Hindus celebrate Diwali, with fireworks, lighting candles etc.

And in terms of importance is it up there with Vaisakhi and Guru Nanak's Gurpurab? The celebrations certainly make it look so. 

the welcoming home of the sixth Guru would have been done with lights, dhoof, flower petals etc it's just the Indian way to show celebration and happiness. In terms of importance it is just as important as the freeing of Guru Nanak Dev ji , the Humbling of Jahaghir by Guru Arjan Dev ji , this freeing of 52 ! trapped kings and princes under purely the charisma of Guru Har Gobind ji's personality and the recognition of his holiness by Jahanghir

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