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Depends on how they put the squeeze on people who refuse the vaccine. They can say, "It's optional," but if they won't let you do the weekly shop and go to work unless you've been vaccinated, then it's not much of a choice, is it? 

Personally, I'll delay it as much as possible, and see if there's any adverse reactions to it in those who've taken it when it launches. Cynical, yes, but I'm not being a hero.

But this whole thing stinks.  They want this 5hit in our bloodstream for some reason, and I wish I knew what the endgame is.

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5 hours ago, MisterrSingh said:

Depends on how they put the squeeze on people who refuse the vaccine. They can say, "It's optional," but if they won't let you do the weekly shop and go to work unless you've been vaccinated, then it's not much of a choice, is it? 

Personally, I'll delay it as much as possible, and see if there's any adverse reactions to it in those who've taken it when it launches. Cynical, yes, but I'm not being a hero.

But this whole thing stinks.  They want this 5hit in our bloodstream for some reason, and I wish I knew what the endgame is.

I feel exactly the same as you

But what would be the end game and who would this game be beneficial to ?

 

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11 minutes ago, Premi5 said:

I feel exactly the same as you

But what would be the end game and who would this game be beneficial to ?

 

I'm not even going to try and answer that one, because it's all conjecture and masala at the moment, lol. We'll see how it plays out. In the meantime, build up your kamaiy. Strange thing to say, but it could help some people "see" things a little more clearly.

 

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1 minute ago, MisterrSingh said:

I'm not even going to try and answer that one, because it's all conjecture and masala at the moment, lol. We'll see how it plays out. In the meantime, build up your kamaiy. Strange thing to say, but it could help some people "see" things a little more clearly.

 

Sure, but when you know Amritdharis who are nitnemi and live very shudh lives who seem like sheep and believe everything they see in the media without question/ulterior motive, then how would you build up 'kamaiy'?

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1 hour ago, Premi5 said:

Sure, but when you know Amritdharis who are nitnemi and live very shudh lives who seem like sheep and believe everything they see in the media without question/ulterior motive, then how would you build up 'kamaiy'?

That's one of the most astute things you've proffered. I'm not patronising you, but it's true. 

It's difficult to articulate a response to your question without being critical of otherwise decent and shardawaan individuals. It's not even a criticism per se, but as Gurjant bro has suggested they may be missing something, or they haven't arrived at a place where certain doors of awareness are open for them. 

Don't get me wrong, I'm not suggesting mine are wide open, lmao, far from it, but I'm at least constantly knocking at the door (to labour the metaphor a little further). I'm not resting on my laurels. I have itches than need to be scratched. 😁

 

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9 hours ago, Premi5 said:

Everyone having it or not?

@jkvlondon ?

will wait for further test data to be released as pfizer still haven't released full data to authorities and the speed at which it was developed 63 days and speed of releasing interim data based on only 94 test subjects  seems to indicate they have not learned from previous testing debacles in Africa.  Oxford one has admited one death in Brasil (28 year old male doctor in Brasil unrelated)  and a couple of serious reactions in uk study  and has tested on different population mixes UK, Brasil and USA currently , has released the testing results and shown different results dependant on dosing sizes full plus full 62% efficacy , half dose then full dose 90% efficacy , the current USA cohort is being split to retest these scenarios to see if they can replicate results . The pricing agendas also seem to indicate the niaat of the companies MOderna @ $42 , Pfizer @ $ 38 and oxford @$3  with talk of suspending patent of the vaccine so that poorer countries can replicate the formula . Moderna and Pfizer sold all their planned vaccines to richer countries , Oxford did deals with India and other countries to ensure they can produce 3 billion doses at first calculation , but if they change dosing regime to reflect UK second dosing strategy then they can cover 4.5 billion doses

we know that covid attacks the most ancient blood type A then the next oldest rhesus type, plus sickle cell sufferers are suffering heavily , my own thought is they are trying to remove Brown folks as much as possible either through covert sterilisation as in Kenya , India, Peru, Pakistan Gates trials of HPV vaccines  or overt pricing strategies to place this beyond their reach.  The people who will inherit the space created will inherit a youthful naive unthinking population to control . My own kid surprised me in his acceptance of whatever he sees released by media online or on TV. Don't accept things on face value , these people always have had an agenda behind every action.

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I was a very sickly child and got the flu jab every year until I turned around 19 I think. Made my arm hurt so much that I wanted to get a chainsaw and cut it off. 

Think I'm going to skip this one. 

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11 minutes ago, puzzled said:

I was a very sickly child and got the flu jab every year until I turned around 19 I think. Made my arm hurt so much that I wanted to get a chainsaw and cut it off. 

Think I'm going to skip this one. 

Please skip the flu jab forever its just pumping aluminium salts into your bloodstream on a yearly basis to ensure you get neurological disorders so you become a constant patient of the medical 'care' system . Our bodies are designed to strengthen when challenged , having the flu is actually protective becuase it keeps your immune system in alert tiptop response . Besides the flu jab opens you up to other respiratory illnesses by 400% which given the current scenario is not a great move .

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33 minutes ago, jkvlondon said:

Please skip the flu jab forever its just pumping aluminium salts into your bloodstream on a yearly basis to ensure you get neurological disorders so you become a constant patient of the medical 'care' system . Our bodies are designed to strengthen when challenged , having the flu is actually protective becuase it keeps your immune system in alert tiptop response . Besides the flu jab opens you up to other respiratory illnesses by 400% which given the current scenario is not a great move .

A bit late for that now, had it pumped into me every year until i turned around 19, my nurse stopped calling me then randomly.

What about inhalers? I took the blue one and brown one 

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47 minutes ago, puzzled said:

A bit late for that now, had it pumped into me every year until i turned around 19, my nurse stopped calling me then randomly.

What about inhalers? I took the blue one and brown one 

the inhalers were steroid based just like betnovate cream for eczema all of them weaken the lungs /skin over time  , did you really have asthma or just constant coughs and colds because there was a time when the doctors went mad passing them out  during the nineties . Given that you did not get healthy despite taking yearly jabs didn't you question  it yourself as to what was the point ?

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17 minutes ago, jkvlondon said:

the inhalers were steroid based just like betnovate cream for eczema all of them weaken the lungs /skin over time  , did you really have asthma or just constant coughs and colds because there was a time when the doctors went mad passing them out  during the nineties . Given that you did not get healthy despite taking yearly jabs didn't you question  it yourself as to what was the point ?

I used to have coughs and colds all the time basically and that was it! Dr gave me inhalers and pump when i was around 3 yrs old in the mid 90s, so i don't remember it. My mother was worried sick all the time. When i turned around 14/15 years old i stopped taking them regularly, not because the Dr told me to but i just couldn't be asked. By the time i was 18/19 i didn't take them at all and the nurse did my asthma test and made be blow through one of those things and the thing blew right to the other end and she was like you don't have asthma any more lol. I was 19 and that was the last time i had my flu jab. 

How do they even know it was asthma or not? some kids are just sick all the time and have coughs. I just was a sick kid all the time, used vomit a lot as well. 

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24 minutes ago, puzzled said:

I used to have coughs and colds all the time basically and that was it! Dr gave me inhalers and pump when i was around 3 yrs old in the mid 90s, so i don't remember it. My mother was worried sick all the time. When i turned around 14/15 years old i stopped taking them regularly, not because the Dr told me to but i just couldn't be asked. By the time i was 18/19 i didn't take them at all and the nurse did my asthma test and made be blow through one of those things and the thing blew right to the other end and she was like you don't have asthma any more lol. I was 19 and that was the last time i had my flu jab. 

How do they even know it was asthma or not? some kids are just sick all the time and have coughs. I just was a sick kid all the time, used vomit a lot as well. 

they did that to my brother's younger son , only because he had a hole in his heart that was operated on at 3 months , he was just a kid who had coughs and colds when the season changed , like his dad and yourself . Some desi people know it as being prone to 'garam saradh '  . Doctors here seem to like to scare apnay into accepting that their kids are defective without heavyweight meds at a young age, just engage your brain a cold lasts a week to 10 days max whether or not you take meds , just learn to keep your immune system strong and be aware of wrapping up if the weather snaps cold. 

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I found this, don't know what to think about it though.

Former Presidents Obama, Bush and Clinton volunteer to get coronavirus vaccine publicly to prove it's safe

 

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/12/02/politics/obama-vaccine/index.html

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