PANJ BANIA DA PAATH

[ipledgeblue]

On 5/22/2021 at 4:32 PM, puzzled said:

Got a question about showering before doing nitnem. Rather then having a shower can we just brush our teeth and wash our face, hands and feet instead? 

I think this is called panj ishnan

[NaamTiharoJoJape]

Does it make sense when many claim that whenever Jap Jaap come up in a rehitnama or some source it refers to panj bania as a whole? Any opinions on that? 

[Arsh1469]

Bhai Gurdas mentions Arti with Sohila.

[NaamTiharoJoJape]

17 hours ago, NaamTiharoJoJape said:

Does it make sense when many claim that whenever Jap Jaap come up in a rehitnama or some source it refers to panj bania as a whole? Any opinions on that? 

well yeah since panj bania barely come up in itihasic sources other than guru kia sakhian (bhatt vehis), and sri gur katha of bhai jaita/jeewan singh so a lot of vidwaans says japu jaapu in rehitnamas refer to banis from both granth sahiban aad and dasam,  and panj bania (I think baba santa singh claims so and a couple others too, can't remember off top of my head but this idea has been regurgitated before)  

had to clarify for the confused face reaction lol 

But yeah, I wonder whether this claim seems plausible and true because if Im not wrong, doesnt a certain rehitnama clearly state "japu jaapu due" but I guess that can still refer to bani of both granths 

[dallysingh101]

14 hours ago, NaamTiharoJoJape said:

well yeah since panj bania barely come up in itihasic sources other than guru kia sakhian (bhatt vehis), and sri gur katha of bhai jaita/jeewan singh so a lot of vidwaans says japu jaapu in rehitnamas refer to banis from both granth sahiban aad and dasam,  and panj bania (I think baba santa singh claims so and a couple others too, can't remember off top of my head but this idea has been regurgitated before)  

had to clarify for the confused face reaction lol 

But yeah, I wonder whether this claim seems plausible and true because if Im not wrong, doesnt a certain rehitnama clearly state "japu jaapu due" but I guess that can still refer to bani of both granths 

I think there was a basic like you outline. Then different movements added more banis to their samparadayas rahits? The movement was towards doing more, understandably?  

[NaamTiharoJoJape]

3 hours ago, dallysingh101 said:

I think there was a basic like you outline. Then different movements added more banis to their samparadayas rahits? The movement was towards doing more, understandably?  

but then whats the minimum? what banis were recited during amrit sanchar? not to stir up any controversy about panj bania da paathh, just trying to do more khoj because time and time again jap jaap come up everywhere so it would be interesting if they do happen to refer to panj bania as a collective as dr. kamalroop singh claims as well, maybe that term is just amongst the vocabulary that has its subtext lost nowadays 

puratan gutka sahib are needed to be looked into but they arent available much so we would have to back to India to have darshan of such pothis and gutka 

I understand the part on adding banis, like rehras sahib is a prime example of that with the base being sodar sopurkh, and panth rattan brahmgiani mani singh ji adding dasam bani with maharajs permission and khalsa adding more and more as it suited their gurbani abhias

[dallysingh101]

55 minutes ago, NaamTiharoJoJape said:

but then whats the minimum? what banis were recited during amrit sanchar?

Go by where you take amrit? 

[NaamTiharoJoJape]

anyhow as the original question was posed, the whole cause for  this confusion is the sgpc rehit maryada saying only sri japji sahib, jaap sahib, and sravag sudh swaiye are needed in morning but this is a interesting find to come across 

source is Sri Dasam Granth Sahib: Facts Beyond Doubt published by SGGS Academy 

 

[ipledgeblue]

On 2/12/2022 at 9:12 PM, Arsh1469 said:

Bhai Gurdas mentions Arti with Sohila.

I want to read this, can you post this?

[SikhKosh]

If you study Rahitnamas and ithasik Granths carefully, there is a general tendency to include more Dasam Granthi banis as the years pass by (compare the average 18th century Rahit to a 19th century Rahit). You can compare it by reading Granths like Gurbilas Kuer Singh (often dated 1751, sometimes 19th century) where he puts nitnem at Japji, Rehras and Sohila only. Tankhahnama ascribed to Bhai Nand Lal which has a copy dated 1719 also gives the same nitnem of three banis (that are incidently placed on the 13 angs of the Guru Granth Sahib before the first raag, Sri Raag). Rahitnama Chaupa Singh which is said to be written in 1765 also gives the same nitnem, but it does say to recite Japji 5 times though. 

Now you can find some Granths like Sri Gur Katha or Rahitnama Daya Singh which are sometimes also placed as contemporary sources, mentioning a lot of Dasam Granth banis but these Granths have not yet been examined properly (Sri Gur Katha) or a clear cases of forgery (Rahitnama Daya Singh is part of a larger Granth that has been proven to be written by a Nirmala in early 1800s.)

It is an interesting topic to study, I spent years studying the question and had amassed a document with over 15 sources with different Banis but can't seem to find it. As some poster mentioned some Rahits do mention to read Arti seperately (Bhai Gurdas but also a Rahit from the Sau Sakhi I think).

Even when we look at puratan Panj Granthis, a lot exist which have only Japji Sahib, Rehras and Sohila and 2 additional (usually from GGS) banis, like one preserved at Baba Ala Singh Burjh which has Salok M 9 and Salok Sahaskriti additionally. Others argue that these Panj Granthis predate the 'creation' of the Khalsa by Guru Gobind Singh - but this is not necessarily always the case as I have also stumpled across Panj Granthis in libraries which are dated post 1708 with Japji  Rehraas Sohila and 2 other, often differing banis).

It is true that Jap Jaap often comes up, and people do give the explanation that it refers to reciting banis from both Guru Granth Sahib and Dasam Granth but that does not seem to be a plausible explanation. Only one Granth says 'jap jaap due', otherwise it is often Jap Jaap. Bhai Gurdas refers to Japji as Jaap, maybe that could be a clue for further research.

Akaal Sahai.