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6 minutes ago, jkvlondon said:

no! a suicider is not a shaheed ...however this was a murder so yes he was a shaheed. People who know his handwriting have denounced this 'suicide note'  non sikhs may be fooled but we are not so lily-livered to not face up to difficulties , remember Baba ji was the one giving farmers honsla to fight for their rights rather than kill themselves , so why would he kill himself ? try to be logical

Sorry i know there are 2 sides to the story. I don’t know which to believe.

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Those closest to him will know his mindset prior to his death. I am not familiar with the deceased. Is suicide by gunshot something a Sant would do? Willingly laying down one's life in certain situations can't be compared to straight-up suicide, surely? Or is this farming situation so unique that someone of that status would feel this is something that needs to be done, and is justified in a Gurmat sense?

One thing I will say is that this unfortunate occurrence might be used to muddy the waters and distract from the main objective. What we'll see is those claiming murder while others will argue it wasn't. The focus on this issue will detract from the overall discussion on the farming problem. Those claiming murder might be incited into taking rash action, which is exactly what the Indians want in order to defame the protests. 

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11 hours ago, GurjantGnostic said:

They do that publically though. You don't just find burnt monks with notes explaining they did it cause china. 

Yes, that's what I was getting at. The manner in which the act is carried out is as important as the statement behind the act itself.

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On 12/17/2020 at 1:29 PM, jkvlondon said:

no! a suicider is not a shaheed ...however this was a murder so yes he was a shaheed. People who know his handwriting have denounced this 'suicide note'  non sikhs may be fooled but we are not so lily-livered to not face up to difficulties , remember Baba ji was the one giving farmers honsla to fight for their rights rather than kill themselves , so why would he kill himself ? try to be logical

Saints who are very much one with Vaheguru have full awareness of the coming and going. Baba Ram Singh Ji was one of those great saints. It wasnt murder nor suicide.

If your response is limited and understanding is short sighted then you wont be able to explain the actions of such a person.

 

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1 hour ago, AcceptWill201 said:

Saints who are very much one with Vaheguru have full awareness of the coming and going. Baba Ram Singh Ji was one of those great saints. It wasnt murder nor suicide.

If your response is limited and understanding is short sighted then you wont be able to explain the actions of such a person.

 

if we look at all mahapurakh who gave shaheddat they allowed the enemy to execute the final step rather than do the step themselves, to bring the calamity of killing a mahapurakh onto themselves  , Guru Arjan Dev ji, Baba Deep Singh ji , Guru Tej Bahadur ji , Mata Gujri ji , Baba Gurbachan Singh ji, Sant Jarnail Singhji etc . But this is not the same unless as we have seen there have been threats against supporters of the farmers especially if they are high profile and getting notice of worldwide audience .

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Although we shouldn't encourage such actions but I think if we must then it should be seen as a form of protest much like the Buddhist monks burning themselves. As we have seen from his letter and his last recordings he was pained at seeing the kisaans. 

This has solidified the resolve of the kisaans even more than before.

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2 hours ago, AcceptWill201 said:

Saints who are very much one with Vaheguru have full awareness of the coming and going. Baba Ram Singh Ji was one of those great saints. It wasnt murder nor suicide.

If your response is limited and understanding is short sighted then you wont be able to explain the actions of such a person.

 

Pompous and condescending much?

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https://www.opindia.com/2020/12/farmer-protest-sikh-priest-sant-baba-ram-singh-suicide-nurse-alleges-murder-details/amp/

‘He was killed’: Why nurse, who served at Sant Baba Ram Singh’s dispensary, is questioning ‘suicide’ angle after he ‘shot himself’ at farmer protest

 
 

Disfigured Ek Omkar

suicide.jpg?resize=600%2C433&ssl=1 Suicide note of Sant Ram Singh (Image:Aaj Samaaj)

Another point that was raised during the conversation was the disfigured Ek Omkar on the top of the suicide note. Both anchor and Amarjit said that it looks suspicious and different from the handwriting of the suicide note.

 


 
 
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