Discussion on Shaster Vidya

[dharamyudh]

Really loved the aggression in this. 

[jkvlondon]

On 1/16/2021 at 2:49 PM, intrigued said:

Nihang Singhs know to keep it gupt. Nidar Singh is trying to monetize it by saying he is the last grandmaster and he is trying to sell it in the west. Nihangs have the real vidhya, he learned it from them and now is changing it.

 

I recommend looking at this site for anyone to know the full truth of the beadbi that he is doing - http://www.shastervidiya.org/

It shows how he began changing the narrative for more fame and money.

it's interesting how this guy's claims parallel the other pretender Yogi Harbhajan  who was an ordinary bloke who claimed he was the only master of Kundalini yoga lalala and sold it using sikhi as the spiritual glue to stick students to him ...both have links to RSS and GOI . When you see someone monetising your heritage immediately you should pay attention to exactly what is being peddled as authetic sikhi. Interesting he is now shacked up with one of those 3HO females

[Koi]

On 1/20/2021 at 10:16 PM, jkvlondon said:

it's interesting how this guy's claims parallel the other pretender Yogi Harbhajan  who was an ordinary bloke who claimed he was the only master of Kundalini yoga lalala and sold it using sikhi as the spiritual glue to stick students to him ...both have links to RSS and GOI . When you see someone monetising your heritage immediately you should pay attention to exactly what is being peddled as authetic sikhi. Interesting he is now shacked up with one of those 3HO females

Without addressing attacks on his personal life, the main point still stands. Gatka is nothing more than an exhibitionist art, with no real practical application in a battle. Shastar Vidiya is the real deal. Even if you just look at it from a martial arts perspective. 

I tell you, if (hypothetically) he changed his ideology and started shouting Khalistan Zindabad slogans, you'd all be more accepting of the vidiya. The doubts people place on the Vidiya have got nothing to do with the Vidiya itself, but personal grievances against his ideology. And unless our community can be mature enough to separate the two, we're never going to grow as a martial kaum...

[jkvlondon]

2 hours ago, Koi said:

Without addressing attacks on his personal life, the main point still stands. Gatka is nothing more than an exhibitionist art, with no real practical application in a battle. Shastar Vidiya is the real deal. Even if you just look at it from a martial arts perspective. 

I tell you, if (hypothetically) he changed his ideology and started shouting Khalistan Zindabad slogans, you'd all be more accepting of the vidiya. The doubts people place on the Vidiya have got nothing to do with the Vidiya itself, but personal grievances against his ideology. And unless our community can be mature enough to separate the two, we're never going to grow as a martial kaum...

he is not the only teacher and his attitude of money money first is wrong attitude for an ustaad teaching such skills much like jujitsu/karate/escrima teachers the quality of the internal changes the whole transfer of knowledge and the final product. If the ustaad is full of ahankar he cannot show the student how to be a neutral minded warrior, which is vital for sikh warriors

[Koi]

1 hour ago, jkvlondon said:

he is not the only teacher and his attitude of money money first is wrong attitude for an ustaad teaching such skills much like jujitsu/karate/escrima teachers the quality of the internal changes the whole transfer of knowledge and the final product. If the ustaad is full of ahankar he cannot show the student how to be a neutral minded warrior, which is vital for sikh warriors

Do you know of any other teachers of Shastar Vidiya? If so, would you kindly share here ji?

And which "money first" attitude are you referring to? Since the Akhara has become more established, and the services provided by the Akhara (Gurdev ji travelling worldwide, publishing of books, interviews/seminars etc.), there will of course be a monetary element involved to sustain such ventures. And there is nothing wrong with this. Are you taking in to account the students he teaches for free because they can't afford lessons? Or more to the point, do you even know about this? I think not. I myself back in the day would train with students who trained for free.

On to your final point. Full of hankaar. Based on what? Every individual has their own temperament. And I for one do not have a "universal metre stick" which I use to measure everyone's avgun and judge whether or not they can teach the Vidiya. Have all your teachers been brahmgyanis? The mother is the first teacher of the children. You have children. Should one then assert that you are unworthy of teaching your children because you are "full of hankaar" (hypothetically speaking of course)?

Please, let us not split hairs with this. Time and time again over the years I hear the same thing with regards to Gurdev Nidar Singh Ji. Your grievances with him have nothing to do with the Vidiya, but with his ideology (which is not entirely different if you go through it properly). And again, it goes back to the same point. Gatka is an exhibitionist art, nothing more. Shastar Vidiya is the real deal.

[ipledgeblue]

1 hour ago, jkvlondon said:

he is not the only teacher and his attitude of money money first is wrong attitude for an ustaad teaching such skills much like jujitsu/karate/escrima teachers the quality of the internal changes the whole transfer of knowledge and the final product. If the ustaad is full of ahankar he cannot show the student how to be a neutral minded warrior, which is vital for sikh warriors

where and who are these teachers?

Shastar vidiya is completely different from karate, from the footwork, stance, punching etc...

a neutral sikh warrior, what is that? a sikh warrior should read dasam bani

 

Surely most other gatka ustads show hunkaar as they have no lineage and nothing to measure their skills against?

37 minutes ago, Koi said:

Do you know of any other teachers of Shastar Vidiya? If so, would you kindly share here ji?

And which "money first" attitude are you referring to? Since the Akhara has become more established, and the services provided by the Akhara (Gurdev ji travelling worldwide, publishing of books, interviews/seminars etc.), there will of course be a monetary element involved to sustain such ventures. And there is nothing wrong with this. Are you taking in to account the students he teaches for free because they can't afford lessons? Or more to the point, do you even know about this? I think not. I myself back in the day would train with students who trained for free.

On to your final point. Full of hankaar. Based on what? Every individual has their own temperament. And I for one do not have a "universal metre stick" which I use to measure everyone's avgun and judge whether or not they can teach the Vidiya. Have all your teachers been brahmgyanis? The mother is the first teacher of the children. You have children. Should one then assert that you are unworthy of teaching your children because you are "full of hankaar" (hypothetically speaking of course)?

Please, let us not split hairs with this. Time and time again over the years I hear the same thing with regards to Gurdev Nidar Singh Ji. Your grievances with him have nothing to do with the Vidiya, but with his ideology (which is not entirely different if you go through it properly). And again, it goes back to the same point. Gatka is an exhibitionist art, nothing more. Shastar Vidiya is the real deal.

Just found this thread, they ended the thread because nobody could come up with an answer. I assume the sikhsangat admins now are more mature than the silly admins back then who would just close topics which didn't fit their mindset!

 

 

[dharamyudh]

8 hours ago, Koi said:

Do you know of any other teachers of Shastar Vidiya? If so, would you kindly share here ji?

And which "money first" attitude are you referring to? Since the Akhara has become more established, and the services provided by the Akhara (Gurdev ji travelling worldwide, publishing of books, interviews/seminars etc.), there will of course be a monetary element involved to sustain such ventures. And there is nothing wrong with this. Are you taking in to account the students he teaches for free because they can't afford lessons? Or more to the point, do you even know about this? I think not. I myself back in the day would train with students who trained for free.

On to your final point. Full of hankaar. Based on what? Every individual has their own temperament. And I for one do not have a "universal metre stick" which I use to measure everyone's avgun and judge whether or not they can teach the Vidiya. Have all your teachers been brahmgyanis? The mother is the first teacher of the children. You have children. Should one then assert that you are unworthy of teaching your children because you are "full of hankaar" (hypothetically speaking of course)?

Please, let us not split hairs with this. Time and time again over the years I hear the same thing with regards to Gurdev Nidar Singh Ji. Your grievances with him have nothing to do with the Vidiya, but with his ideology (which is not entirely different if you go through it properly). And again, it goes back to the same point. Gatka is an exhibitionist art, nothing more. Shastar Vidiya is the real deal.

Respectfully, I just wanted to ask who gave Nidar his vidya on the art. From what I heard, he back to Punjab and came across his ustaad randomly. Any idea who his master was? Was he a part of the Dals?

[GurjantGnostic]

1 hour ago, dharamyudh said:

Respectfully, I just wanted to ask who gave Nidar his vidya on the art. From what I heard, he back to Punjab and came across his ustaad randomly. Any idea who his master was? Was he a part of the Dals?

I heard he trained with all major Dals and that's how he recompiled it. Three or more different pieces. I'm no expert though. 

[Koi]

On 1/22/2021 at 8:16 PM, dharamyudh said:

Respectfully, I just wanted to ask who gave Nidar his vidya on the art. From what I heard, he back to Punjab and came across his ustaad randomly. Any idea who his master was? Was he a part of the Dals?

 

On 1/22/2021 at 9:18 PM, GurjantGnostic said:

I heard he trained with all major Dals and that's how he recompiled it. Three or more different pieces. I'm no expert though. 

Gurdev Nidar Singh learnt from Baba Mohinder Singh nihang, who learnt from the well known Baba Gian Singh Nihang (Rabb Ji). Yes, he did come across him randomly, something which he says in his interviews.

He has not recompiled the art. In fact, he spent a long time finding other practioners. And whilst there were a few nihangs who heard of the art, there aren't any masters.

During partition, Giana Rabb Ji taught some basic moves to the Singhs so they could protect themselves. Now there are some gatka akharas who claim lineage from Baba Gian Singh ji based on this. They do not have the full Vidiya (or any real battlefield Vidiya to be quite frank).

I did gatka for a year before I came to Shastar Vidiya. And the thing I loved and still admire about gatka akharas is the sangat. It's good if you have no other sangat. If it inspires you to be closer to your Sikhi, that is great. But understand it's not the real deal. Never has been, never will be. I know people who practice gatka, and never discourage them, because I do not want the paap of breaking their sangat on my head

Do we have any gatka practioners on this forum? Would love to hear from you regarding this.

[ipledgeblue]

This grandmaster fights similar to some of the sword fighting in shastar vidiya. what is this martial art? a gatkabaji wouldn't stand any chance against this kind of knife work!

Maybe we should compile some youtube videos to help with shastar vidiya?