Discussion on Shaster Vidya

[jkvlondon 5,532]

41 minutes ago, singhsince1981 said:

Interesting. Is there any place where we can see puratan style gatka? Traditional gatka as in Khalsa in the 1700s or is it all lost?

I heard Samurai is very very dangerous. The sword is deadly. But its japanese. Are Sikhs allowed to practice that?

if you want to learn like a samurai you will have to study jujitsi/ninjitsu/budo as these are the techniques used by the samauri and their close nemesis the the ninja , understanding the bushido philosophy I realise Khalsa could be considered on the material plane as ronin or spiritually with Akal Purakh as our overlord . Sikhs can practise  any and all weapons  in fact in history they were known for their high levels of skill with multiple weapons  including rifle.

[ipledgeblue 308]

36 minutes ago, jkvlondon said:

interesting that they have descriptions of Marma points which are close to Chinese Dim  Mak points.

I don't know if Dim Mak is good.

But I definitely know Marma points are important to shastar vidiya.

 

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On 1/15/2021 at 1:45 PM, jkvlondon said:

south Indian/Keralan martial arts are closest I am guessing to the proper vidhiya given for battlefield  close fighting , I remember watching a video of a tiny women teaching the skills she had learnt frm her father to class and she was in her advanced years and getting the better of young men .it is called Kalarippayattu

I bought a couple of books on it

https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/9384030511/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1

https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/0195655389/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1

interesting that they have descriptions of Marma points which are close to Chinese Dim  Mak points.

So I went for the link for 

Kalarippayattu: The Complete Guide To Kerala's Ancient Martial Art Paperback – 1 Aug. 2016

And I can see from the legs are raised on the cover photo makes me doubt the authenticity of the book, if indeed the book talks about the techniques on the cover.

 

Also some videos I watched online has the same shield bashing and hitting weapons on each other like gatka

So to me it seems most of Kalarippayattu has probably been changed in the modern age, probably colonial times. I am really doubting that book due to the cover photo.  Maybe the other book is ok?

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After going through the entire thread. I have come to the conclusion, that given the present time. Firearm training is the most practical and essential form. However, a world wide law need to passed so that a Sikh can keep a firearm and carry it just like a kirpan. Is this possible?
 

[Guest]

Please see this video @1:10

Let me know what u think.

[GurjantGnostic 807]

Firearms are illegal a lot of places. I recommend training with them but if you can a bit but don't rely on them. Pistol is same as Khanda in the way you use it. So if you train Khanda you train pistol. You train spear you train rifle.  

Only difference is if you're wearing ballistic vest you stand more broadly to take hits in the armor instead of the less armored sides. Take a round from the side it goes through both lungs maybe the heart. 

[Guest]

9 minutes ago, GurjantGnostic said:

Firearms are illegal a lot of places. 

This needs to change. Its our religious rights.

See this video. 

 

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17 minutes ago, singhsince1981 said:

This needs to change. Its our religious rights.

See this video. 

 

I agree but pushing for that as Sikhs is going to do no good. Perhaps harm. Countries should individually push for this human right. 

[dharamyudh 241]

Could anyone enlighten me on the origins of Shastar Vidya? Is it an extinct martial art? I just find it weird how we would let such a martial art go extinct since a lot of the Nihangs carried on the traditions in places like Nanded (after the annexation of Panjab). 

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3 minutes ago, dharamyudh said:

Could anyone enlighten me on the origins of Shastar Vidya? Is it an extinct martial art? I just find it weird how we would let such a martial art go extinct since a lot of the Nihangs carried on the traditions in places like Nanded (after the annexation of Panjab). 

Attributed to Shiva. Seems only some parts were maintained by some people. I think it would take the Nihung Jathas retraining together to get the system ironed out again and complete. 

You never know what's being maintained Gupt though. 

Oh and while not popular Niddar Singh Nihang knows quite a bit. 

[dharamyudh 241]

5 minutes ago, GurjantGnostic said:

Attributed to Shiva. Seems only some parts were maintained by some people. I think it would take the Nihung Jathas retraining together to get the system ironed out again and complete. 

You never know what's being maintained Gupt though. 

Oh and while not popular Niddar Singh Nihang knows quite a bit. 

Yeah I could see that. It just seems like the Dals prioritize gatka over shastar vidya. Off that topic though, I just wanted to remark how people in India seem to fight. I've seen this in person and in videos, but it seems like people in India don't know how to throw a punch to save their life! Which is sad considering the rich history of shastar vidya in the past. It's just pure slaps for the most part. We need to pump some more martial arts to our brothers and sisters in India.  

[GurjantGnostic 807]

Gurbani has instructions for everyone to make what they were born into or love effective and reconnect it with Sat Dharam. They don't have to convert. They can fine tune what they do to be Guru Jis version. Or they can fully adopt the Gursikh life. 

 

If you give militarized buddhists Naam they are almost 100 back to Sikh. 

 

That's basically what Nippon Budo is. Militarized Shinto Buddhism.  And when you add Naam to it you get Aikido....except...

O' Sensei was no Guru no master. He passed on O' Kami's Aikido. He said he was entry level at it. In order to open it up to all people of the world he removed the mix of Omoto kyo, Zazen, Shinto, Kotodama and Chinkon Kishin and other spritualities from it. Telling the practitioner you must put your Chinkon Kishi here for this to work. It belongs to O' Kami. 

I can tell you first hand there is nothing more compatible than Timeless Takemusu Aiki and Gursikhi. Aikido by definition sits beneath the Guru. Beneath Naam. It is known that it comes from Naam. 

Finding a Dojo that teaches it completely? Not easy. 

O Sensei said he looked behind him and almost nobody followed. 

If anyone wants to do Aikido I can help you pick a Dojo or perhaps even suggest you not train at a Dojo and pick something else near you. 

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10 minutes ago, dharamyudh said:

Yeah I could see that. It just seems like the Dals prioritize gatka over shastar vidya. Off that topic though, I just wanted to remark how people in India seem to fight. I've seen this in person and in videos, but it seems like people in India don't know how to throw a punch to save their life! Which is sad considering the rich history of shastar vidya in the past. It's just pure slaps for the most part. We need to pump some more martial arts to our brothers and sisters in India.  

Real fights look rediculous almost everywhere. Even people who "train" and compete don't know how to flow the adrenaline stress response and just lock up and get stabbed bro. Or flail at each other and latch on and both fall over which is why people think bjj is a good idea because people can't even stand up right these days. 

[GurjantGnostic 807]

I'm not a Shastar Vidya expert. I suggest you do that if you can find the real thing. 

I can say Niddar Singh Nihang has something sincere to offer. 

I added throat biting to my repetoire for example watching him. 

If Sangat know of other well founded Shastar Vidya and Gutka teachers please share. 

[Koi 533]

I've seen that, as time goes on, people are seeing gatka for what it really is, an exhibitionist art, nothing more. This is in no way shape or form the vidiya used by the Khalsa.

Shastar Vidiya is our traditional Sikh/Khalsa/Kshatriya/Hindustani/Bharati battlefield art. Currently, only Nidar Singh Nihang teaches this, though there are a few old babas left who could attest to Nidar Singh ji's vidiya.