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16 minutes ago, Koi said:

I've seen that, as time goes on, people are seeing gatka for what it really is, an exhibitionist art, nothing more. This is in no way shape or form the vidiya used by the Khalsa.

Shastar Vidiya is our traditional Sikh/Khalsa/Kshatriya/Hindustani/Bharati battlefield art. Currently, only Nidar Singh Nihang teaches this, though there are a few old babas left who could attest to Nidar Singh ji's vidiya.

There's a catch 22 in martial arts. 

If you have the real thing. You can't just go show anyone and everyone...because it's lethal and sacred or special. So you stay gupt and your art dies. And many schools didn't want to tip their hand by showing anybody how they move. 

If you do demonstrations you have to...sterilize your demo to only show so much.  If you try and attract followers with showmanship it becomes more about that and maybe you keep practitioners but then they're not doing the art exactly and your art dies. 

There's a balance that's hard to keep. 

I'm still open to the idea of Ghatka practitioners having something profound to offer but yes it's showy. But we might not be seeing the whole thing or talking to the right people about it. 

 

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30 minutes ago, Koi said:

Currently, only Nidar Singh Nihang teaches this

Be careful with this man; he will try and impose his view on you

There have been rumors that he is/was with RSS - http://www.shastervidiya.org/nidar-finally-confirms-his-rss-links/

https://www.sikh24.com/2016/11/10/buddhal-dal-jathedar-honors-rss-preacher-who-claims-sikh-gurus-are-followers-of-hindu-gods/#.YAIYx-jYqM8 (kinda related)

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This post seems to be going towards an interesting direction. I have a few questions which always kept me curious. 

1) In Ramayan / Mahabartha, if you grew up watching those in your childhood. You see many yodhas (warrior) who can bring down rain, thunder and other kinds of karamaati weapons with their teers, is this possible? is this ridhis sides?

2) In Gatka, if you watch closely you can see the sword being swung at lightning speed. It almost looks like Bruce Lee's martial art. It just looks impossible how you could defeat a gatka fighter with the sword coming at you such dramatic speeds. 

 

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47 minutes ago, intrigued said:

Whelp. Kinda hoped more names would come up than just his. 

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Anything related to Shastar Vidya is related with Nidar Singh. However, I just found this OLD video of Nidar Singh (on the right in the beginning) fighting Uptej Singh. The quality is horrible though: 

 

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5 minutes ago, dharamyudh said:

Anything related to Shastar Vidya is related with Nidar Singh. However, I just found this OLD video of Nidar Singh (on the right in the beginning) fighting Uptej Singh. The quality is horrible though: 

 

I like that video. I've seen a slightly better angle. 

It made me think there was a larger and more diverse group of practitioners than maybe it sounds like there is?

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1 minute ago, GurjantGnostic said:

It made me think there was a larger and more diverse group of practitioners than maybe it sounds like there is?

There definitely is; he claims he is the last Sikh warrior and practitioner of Shastar Vidhya but most of the warriors are gupt

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41 minutes ago, dharamyudh said:

Anything related to Shastar Vidya is related with Nidar Singh. However, I just found this OLD video of Nidar Singh (on the right in the beginning) fighting Uptej Singh. The quality is horrible though: 

 

😮😮😮😮😮 Amazing.

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I found this quote I was looking for. It was by Giani Gian Singh regarding Shastar Vidya:

"There was talk of such a science of archery and stick fighting only a few years ago in the Punjab that listening of it the English-educated young men will consider it astonishing. In sincerity I believe present day young men might just consider these skills and Shastar Vidya most likely impossible, because they have not even seen those bows nevermind stringing them. Like this, many sciences and skills after attaining their heights have declined. Before 1857 many quivers full of arrows, matchlocks, flintlock guns, swords, lances, spears, Sang, Katar, Pesh Kabz, pistols, shields etc., weapons, armour and many types of chainmail was found house to house, and all the people in their homes learned and taught Shastar Vidiya and became complete soldiers.

Now no one even speaks of these skills the sons of brave warriors are becoming engrossed in making money, even to us who have employed Shastar Vidiya, it is becoming a dream. In another fifty years or so, this Vidiya would have dried up and people will say it (past skills) were but, all lies"

('Twarikh Guru Khalsa', Giani Gian Singh Nirmala (1899) Vol.1, Pa. 36-37)

Credit to Freed on the SikhAwareness forum for finding this. 

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24 minutes ago, dharamyudh said:

I found this quote I was looking for. It was by Giani Gian Singh regarding Shastar Vidya 

"There was talk of such a science of archery and stick fighting only a few years ago in the Punjab that listening of it the English-educated young men will consider it astonishing. In sincerity I believe present day young men might just consider these skills and Shastar Vidya most likely impossible, because they have not even seen those bows nevermind stringing them. Like this, many sciences and skills after attaining their heights have declined. Before 1857 many quivers full of arrows, matchlocks, flintlock guns, swords, lances, spears, Sang, Katar, Pesh Kabz, pistols, shields etc., weapons, armour and many types of chainmail was found house to house, and all the people in their homes learned and taught Shastar Vidiya and became complete soldiers.

Now no one even speaks of these skills the sons of brave warriors are becoming engrossed in making money, even to us who have employed Shastar Vidiya, it is becoming a dream. In another fifty years or so, this Vidiya would have dried up and people will say it (past skills) were but, all lies"

('Twarikh Guru Khalsa', Giani Gian Singh Nirmala (1899) Vol.1, Pa. 36-37)

We should all get into bow making and point shoot ambidextrously. 

Make super light recurves at first then make them bigger and bigger as you get stronger. 

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Guru Gobind Singh Ji had one of the heaviest draw weights (if not the heaviest) in history with 496 pounds being shooting 10 km away - http://dailysikhupdates.com/25756-2/

Highest nowadays is only 200 pounds- https://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/world-records/heaviest-longbow-draw-weight/

Someone told me that in Shastar Vidhya we set up the bow vertically using gravity while other archers would draw the arrow horizontally, which is harder.

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2 hours ago, intrigued said:

Guru Gobind Singh Ji had one of the heaviest draw weights (if not the heaviest) in history with 496 pounds being shooting 10 km away - http://dailysikhupdates.com/25756-2/

Highest nowadays is only 200 pounds- https://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/world-records/heaviest-longbow-draw-weight/

Someone told me that in Shastar Vidhya we set up the bow vertically using gravity while other archers would draw the arrow horizontally, which is harder.

If it's vertical it deflects the arrows shot at you if you line up right behind it. We deflect shuriken with spear and staff like that. 

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