Need opinion on this

[Guest]

I came across this thread. Need opinion from Gurbani and Gyan perspective. I REPEAT NEED OPINION from GURBANI AND GYAN Perspective.

https://iskcondesiretree.com/forum/topics/born-into-a-sikhism-family

No religion bashing, hate comments or rage. If you are one of those, stay away from my topics.

 

[intrigued]

Think I wrote this in another thread:

http://sttm.co/s/9469/

ਬਿਨ ਕਰਤਾਰ ਨ ਕਿਰਤਮ ਮਾਨੋ ॥
bin karataar na kiratam maano ||
Do not accept anyone else except God as the Creator of the universe

ਆਦਿ ਅਜੋਨਿ ਅਜੈ ਅਬਿਨਾਸੀ ਤਿਹ ਪਰਮੇਸਰ ਜਾਨੋ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥
aadh ajon ajai abinaasee teh paramesar jaano ||1|| rahaau ||
He, the Unborn, Unconquerable and Immortal, was in the beginning, consider Him as Supreme Ishvara……Pause.

ਕਹਾ ਭਯੋ ਜੋ ਆਨ ਜਗਤ ਮੈ ਦਸਕ ਅਸੁਰ ਹਰਿ ਘਾਏ ॥
kahaa bhayo jo aan jagat mai dhasak asur har ghaae ||
What then, if on coming into the world, one killed about ten demons

ਅਧਿਕ ਪ੍ਰਪੰਚ ਦਿਖਾਇ ਸਭਨ ਕਹ ਆਪਹਿ ਬ੍ਰਹਮੁ ਕਹਾਏ ॥੧॥
adhik prapa(n)ch dhikhai sabhan keh aapeh braham kahaae ||1||
And displayed several phenomena to all and caused others to call Him Brahm (God).1.

ਭੰਜਨ ਗੜ੍ਹਨ ਸਮਰਥ ਸਦਾ ਪ੍ਰਭੁ ਸੋ ਕਿਮ ਜਾਤਿ ਗਿਨਾਯੋ ॥
bha(n)jan gaRhan samarath sadhaa prabh so kim jaat ginaayo ||
How can He be called God, the Destroyer, the Creator, the Almighty and Eternal,

ਤਾ ਤੇ ਸਰਬ ਕਾਲ ਕੇ ਅਸਿ ਕੋ ਘਾਇ ਬਚਾਇ ਨ ਆਯੋ ॥੨॥
taa te sarab kaal ke as ko ghai bachai na aayo ||2||
Who could not save himself from the wound-causing sword of mighty Death.2.

ਕੈਸੇ ਤੋਹਿ ਤਾਰਿਹੈ ਸੁਨਿ ਜੜ ਆਪ ਡੁਬਿਯੋ ਭਵ ਸਾਗਰ ॥
kaise toh taarihai sun jaR aap ddubiyo bhav saagar ||
O fool! listen, how can he cause you to cause the dreadful ocean of Sansara (world), when he himself is drowned in great ocean?

ਛੁਟਿਹੋ ਕਾਲ ਫਾਸ ਤੇ ਤਬ ਹੀ ਗਹੋ ਸਰਨਿ ਜਗਤਾਗਰ ॥੩॥੧॥੫॥
chhuTiho kaal faas te tab hee gaho saran jagataagar ||3||1||5||
You can escape the trap of death only when you catch hold of the prop of the world and take refuge in Him.3.

 

Going off this, why would one meditate on someone who is in the cycle of birth and death?

[Guest]

Which verse says there are 1000s of Krishnas. Send me that particular one.

[AkalkiFauj]

I guess all they want to do is further there organisation.

[intrigued]

10 minutes ago, singhsince1981 said:

Which verse says there are 1000s of Krishnas. Send me that particular one.

http://sttm.co/s/7430/75415

ਕਿਤੇ ਕ੍ਰਿਸਨ ਸੇ ਕੀਟ ਕੋਟੈ ਉਪਾਏ ॥
kite kirasan se keeT koTai upaae ||
He hath Created millions of Krishnas like worms.

ਉਸਾਰੇ ਗੜ੍ਹੇ ਫੇਰ ਮੇਟੇ ਬਨਾਏ ॥
ausaare gaRhe fer meTe banaae ||
He Created them, annihilated them, again destroyed them, still again Created them.

ਅਗਾਧੇ ਅਭੈ ਆਦਿ ਅਦ੍ਵੈ ਅਬਿਨਾਸੀ ॥
agaadhe abhai aadh adhavai abinaasee ||
He is Unfathomable, Fearless, Primal, Non-dual and Indestructible.

ਪਰੇਅੰ ਪਰਾ ਪਰਮ ਪੂਰਨ ਪ੍ਰਕਾਸੀ ॥੬॥੯੬॥
parea(n) paraa param pooran prakaasee ||6||96||
Yonder and Yonder is He, the supreme Lord, He is the Perfect Illuminator. 6.96.

[Guest]

15 minutes ago, intrigued said:

http://sttm.co/s/7430/75415

ਕਿਤੇ ਕ੍ਰਿਸਨ ਸੇ ਕੀਟ ਕੋਟੈ ਉਪਾਏ ॥
kite kirasan se keeT koTai upaae ||
He hath Created millions of Krishnas like worms.

ਉਸਾਰੇ ਗੜ੍ਹੇ ਫੇਰ ਮੇਟੇ ਬਨਾਏ ॥
ausaare gaRhe fer meTe banaae ||
He Created them, annihilated them, again destroyed them, still again Created them.

ਅਗਾਧੇ ਅਭੈ ਆਦਿ ਅਦ੍ਵੈ ਅਬਿਨਾਸੀ ॥
agaadhe abhai aadh adhavai abinaasee ||
He is Unfathomable, Fearless, Primal, Non-dual and Indestructible.

ਪਰੇਅੰ ਪਰਾ ਪਰਮ ਪੂਰਨ ਪ੍ਰਕਾਸੀ ॥੬॥੯੬॥
parea(n) paraa param pooran prakaasee ||6||96||
Yonder and Yonder is He, the supreme Lord, He is the Perfect Illuminator. 6.96.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH BRO. I AM GONNA GO ON THAT FORUM AND CLEAR THIS MISCONCEPTION NOW. 

[Redoptics]

SVAIYAA

Paa(n)e gahe jab té tumré tab té ko’oo aa(n)kh taré nehee aanyo. Ram rahim Puran Quran anak kahai mat eek na maneyo. Simrat shaastr badh sabh bohu bhedh kahai ham eik na janyo. Siree asipaan kripaa tumree kar(i), mai na kahyo sabh tohé bakhaanyo. (30)

O God ! Since I have held your feet, none other has entered my vision; Ram, Rahim, Puranas, Quran and many others recite, but I don't believe in even one. The Simritis, Shastras and Vedas describe many mysteries, but I don't recognise even one of them; O Sword-wielder God! All this I write, with your blessings, is not what I know but what you have shown me.

[Guest]

Can you also send the verse where Bhagat Kabir ji says that a distinction between Ram Chander (Son of Deshrath) and Ram (God) needs to be made.