Thoughts / Opinions on the Future of Western Countries

[MisterrSingh]

Where do you think these guys are heading as a race, people, etc? 

What do you think about whites and their growing hostility for each other based on issues to do with race, sexual identity, political leanings, etc? Are they being played, or is it something a little less conspiratorial?

Who are the good guys and the bad guys in this standoff? Or is it a bit of both? Are those who strive to defend their traditions and their past in the right, or is it those who want to push through what they see as progress?

Personally I've decided to detach my emotions from this debate, but I'm still going to maintain a clinical interest in the country of my birth. It's tough not to get hyper, lol, but our own Sikh future deserves our full efforts.  both factions are missing the big picture of what's happening. 

[Premi5]

7 hours ago, MisterrSingh said:

Where do you think these guys are heading as a race, people, etc? 

What do you think about whites and their growing hostility for each other based on issues to do with race, sexual identity, political leanings, etc? Are they being played, or is it something a little less conspiratorial?

Who are the good guys and the bad guys in this standoff? Or is it a bit of both? Are those who strive to defend their traditions and their past in the right, or is it those who want to push through what they see as progress?

Personally I've decided to detach my emotions from this debate, but I'm still going to maintain a clinical interest in the country of my birth. It's tough not to get hyper, lol, but our own Sikh future deserves our full efforts.  both factions are missing the big picture of what's happening. 

Difficult to say.

clearly majority have gone away from God rather than attending Church but are many are living more ethically e.g veganism is popular, people better aware of environmental issues. People are maybe not religious but getting more spiritual (not all, many are going even further away into kaljug) e.g practising yoga and mindfulness

i don’t think most whites are arguing with each other over minorities like BLM. 
 

if anything more likely to be whites uniting more against other minorities

If people continue to lose jobs and income then there could be a bigger backlash against the small percent of wealthy elites and millionaires who have a disproportionate amount of wealth

Sikhs need to ensure we are not involved/taking sides as much as possible. 

[MisterrSingh]

2 minutes ago, Premi5 said:

 

2 minutes ago, Premi5 said:

Sikhs need to ensure we are not involved/taking sides as much as possible. 

Completely agree. Either way, whoever comes out on top, will not be good news for us in a number of ways. 

[Premi5]

23 hours ago, MisterrSingh said:

 

Completely agree. Either way, whoever comes out on top, will not be good news for us in a number of ways. 

Most of the white working class people I know are very decent people. Actually, white people I know mostly are regardless of class/wealth. 
 

the working class especially have been made to feel forgotten - whether that’s their ‘fault’ or not , no doubt they rarely climb social ladder here in the UK through education as it doesn’t seem valued unlike with eg South Asian , Chinese and Africa. immigrants. 
 

there are differences if you are referring to white people in other parts of Europe, which are still relatively conservative like Russia, Poland, Hungary 

[Dsinghd]

A German Sikh brother!

 

[jkvlondon]

 

[MisterrSingh]

18 hours ago, Premi5 said:

Most of the white working class people I know are very decent people. Actually, white people I know mostly are regardless of class/wealth. 

the working class especially have been made to feel forgotten - whether that’s their ‘fault’ or not , no doubt they rarely climb social ladder here in the UK through education as it doesn’t seem valued unlike with eg South Asian , Chinese and Africa. immigrants. 

there are differences if you are referring to white people in other parts of Europe, which are still relatively conservative like Russia, Poland, Hungary 

There's a definite divide and conquer thing going on with them. It's strange because you could argue it's the first time in a noticeable sense that these tactics have been so obviously implemented against them. I don't feel either side is completely correct in an exclusive sense although both sides have arguments that are valid.

[californiasardar1]

On 2/7/2021 at 4:27 AM, MisterrSingh said:

Where do you think these guys are heading as a race, people, etc? 

What do you think about whites and their growing hostility for each other based on issues to do with race, sexual identity, political leanings, etc? Are they being played, or is it something a little less conspiratorial?

Who are the good guys and the bad guys in this standoff? Or is it a bit of both? Are those who strive to defend their traditions and their past in the right, or is it those who want to push through what they see as progress?

Personally I've decided to detach my emotions from this debate, but I'm still going to maintain a clinical interest in the country of my birth. It's tough not to get hyper, lol, but our own Sikh future deserves our full efforts.  both factions are missing the big picture of what's happening. 

 

I think that these cultural issues are a big distraction designed to obscure the much more serious economic issues. In most Western countries, the gap between the rich and poor has been steadily growing. Average people have seen their quality of life go down. Yet, instead of holding to account those responsible, or attempting to change the system that has led to the current state of affairs, most average people end up scapegoating others.

 

 

No offense (I know many posters here are from the UK), but I think that the UK in particular is in the beginning stages of a steady and prolonged decline. Brits are very delusional about their place in the world. They seem to have been too frequently fed the myth that they "stood alone" against the rest of the world in WW2 and won the war. And they don't seem to have gotten the memo that the days of empire ended long ago. Brexit has set the UK on a path to irrelevance.

Based on what I have seen, the UK has a combination of most of bad characteristics of the US and continental Europe. And it doesn't have enough of the good aspects of either the US or continental Europe.

Once you get out of Central London, it is surprising how run-down, dilapidated and depressing the UK is. It's shocking how much poverty there is. Having said that, I think the UK is still an okay place for the Sikh community (since there are many neighborhoods with large Sikh populations and gurdwaras).

[MisterrSingh]

1 hour ago, californiasardar1 said:

 

I think that these cultural issues are a big distraction designed to obscure the much more serious economic issues. In most Western countries, the gap between the rich and poor has been steadily growing. Average people have seen their quality of life go down. Yet, instead of holding to account those responsible, or attempting to change the system that has led to the current state of affairs, most average people end up scapegoating others.

No offense (I know many posters here are from the UK), but I think that the UK in particular is in the beginning stages of a steady and prolonged decline. Brits are very delusional about their place in the world. They seem to have been too frequently fed the myth that they "stood alone" against the rest of the world in WW2 and won the war. And they don't seem to have gotten the memo that the days of empire ended long ago. Brexit has set the UK on a path to irrelevance.

Based on what I have seen, the UK has a combination of most of bad characteristics of the US and continental Europe. And it doesn't have enough of the good aspects of either the US or continental Europe.

Once you get out of Central London, it is surprising how run-down, dilapidated and depressing the UK is. It's shocking how much poverty there is. Having said that, I think the UK is still an okay place for the Sikh community (since there are many neighborhoods with large Sikh populations and gurdwaras).

Great analysis. I'm starting to think the incendiary issues to do with race, religion, culture, and sexual identity are a smokescreen for the much more sober and "unexciting" problems to do with economics. 

The toxic and divisive nature of public discourse is leading to an atmosphere where there is genuine and palpable hate for the other side. That gentlemanly manner of previous decades of British public discourse is a distant memory. It's nasty, personal, and generally lacking substance.  They're past the point of agreeing to disagree, or coming to an amicable arrangement that takes the best from both sides. Even the manner in which they interact is simplistic, unintelligent, and verging on childish. Overall, I think the general quality and character of public figures is nowhere near the level of the past, and that gets reflected in the mood of the nation itself.

My personal feeling is that much of the animosity is being deliberately stoked by the press and the media. For what end? Probably bloodshed or a prolonged and unpleasant series of crises.

[Singh1989]

In UK - with the high impact of interracial relationship I can see the gora race go very, very dim.