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4 minutes ago, GurjantGnostic said:

Not anyone who properly uses Sukha. 

Is it used properly though? Many people (not all) become dependent on it.

5 minutes ago, GurjantGnostic said:

Nothing in Gurbani is against Sukha.

True, but I also haven't seen anything that supports it either.

Here's an excerpt from a book by Sant Harnam Singh Rampur Khera Wale - https://www.sikhbookclub.com/Book/Intoxicant-Enemy-of-Humanity

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Bhul Chuk Maaf ?

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2 hours ago, intrigued said:

Is it used properly though? Many people (not all) become dependent on it.

True, but I also haven't seen anything that supports it either.

Here's an excerpt from a book by Sant Harnam Singh Rampur Khera Wale - https://www.sikhbookclub.com/Book/Intoxicant-Enemy-of-Humanity

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Bhul Chuk Maaf ?

I see Sukha doing the exact opposite. Offering a lifeline to addicts getting out of addiction. 

You can take it or leave it. If you don't like just don't use it. 

The science is undeniable and more importantly it's place within Gursikhi is undeniable. 

The reefer madness comes from the war on drugs, both of them, and the destructive nature of wasp imperialism. 

If those people within and related to the Paanth, if choosing to use anything, had chosen Sukha instead of alcohol, tobacco, opium, and every other drug known to man all these years, the greater Sikh family would have been saved imeasurable yelling, fighting, stealing, beating, broken family type illness that comes with those destructive toxic drugs. 

Sukha is a safety net. It's a medicine. It's non toxic. It's non addictive. 

Anyone truly concerned with drug addiction and drugs would never or hardly mention Sukh. They'd be too busy actively fighting the menace of alcohol, inhalents, pharmaceuticals, opiods, cocaine, crack, pcp, meth, designer drugs, bath salts, alcohol again, then alcohol..

The only way Sukha can even function as a gateway drug is when society lies to everybody and says Sukha is at all like these other drugs. Then the young person tries it and knows they were absolutely lied to. And if society lied about Sukha then did they lie about the other stuff? Let's find out. Uh oh, instantly addicted <banned word filter activated>. 

Alcohol and ignorance are the gateway drugs. 

Sukha however should never be confused with Naam. It is no substitute for Naam. It is not a precursor for Naam. It cannot take the place of Naam. Let there be no confusion between Naam and Sukha. Let there be no confusion between Sukha and the maker of all Sukha Vaheguru Akal Purakh. 

Let's however be truthful about Sukha. And mind our own Rehit and nobody elses. 

There is absolutely a reason it is situated as it is within Sikhi. If it's not for you, it's not for you. 

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1 minute ago, MisterrSingh said:

Is it a spiritual aid, though, or a hallucinogenic aid that induces a false religious exaltation? It's not a secret that non-Sikh westerners have used various substances to induce rapturous experiences that they claim are glimpses of the Divine. My point: is it the Sikhi that causes the experience or the drugs?

It's the Sikhi bro. You can't Sukha your way to Sach Akand. 

Let's not confuse Sukha with hard core hallucinagens either. 

Everywhere the fork tongued imperial goes he maligns Sukha and brings alcohol. 

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Like if somebody takes to rock climbing for health for example. And they start doing that, and they find as they begin that the Sukha helps them focus and enjoy climbing rocks a lot and relax and steal their mind back from maya and other poisons. And they keep climbing the rock, they're going to get fit.

Another person may never have been without rock climbing, or lead a different life and maybe they never liked Sukha while climbing. And they too are phenominally fit.

And if you go rock climbing anywhere there is going to be those that use Sukha and those that don't and they all climb together and get fit, no worries. 

And if rock climbers can conquer mountains together and respect each other it really shouldn't be hard for Gursikhs to do the same on both sides or all sides. 

Ultimately it's about "rock climbing" together and encouraging everyone to "climb rocks"

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39 minutes ago, GurjantGnostic said:

Like if somebody takes to rock climbing for health for example. And they start doing that, and they find as they begin that the Sukha helps them focus and enjoy climbing rocks a lot and relax and steal their mind back from maya and other poisons. And they keep climbing the rock, they're going to get fit.

Another person may never have been without rock climbing, or lead a different life and maybe they never liked Sukha while climbing. And they too are phenominally fit.

And if you go rock climbing anywhere there is going to be those that use Sukha and those that don't and they all climb together and get fit, no worries. 

And if rock climbers can conquer mountains together and respect each other it really shouldn't be hard for Gursikhs to do the same on both sides or all sides. 

Ultimately it's about "rock climbing" together and encouraging everyone to "climb rocks"

Makes sense, I think that the only thing that I would disagree with is that bhang can be addictive if taken in excess. In the past, it has been addictive to Sikhs but I don't think its as addictive as other intoxicants. Otherwise thank you for explaining it to me ?

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2 hours ago, GurjantGnostic said:

It's the Sikhi bro. You can't Sukha your way to Sach Akand. 

Let's not confuse Sukha with hard core hallucinagens either. 

Everywhere the fork tongued imperial goes he maligns Sukha and brings alcohol. 

My cynicism and intimate knowledge of the Punjabi demeanour doesn't allow me to embrace this particular issue with as much positivity as others. I've seen where this type of narcotically-encouraged religiosity leads, and it's actually not as noble or as high-minded as it's being described here. 

Each to their own. If it works for someone, then fair enough. 

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39 minutes ago, MisterrSingh said:

My cynicism and intimate knowledge of the Punjabi demeanour doesn't allow me to embrace this particular issue with as much positivity as others. I've seen where this type of narcotically-encouraged religiosity leads, and it's actually not as noble or as high-minded as it's being described here. 

Each to their own. If it works for someone, then fair enough. 

When you say narcotic though that's afeem.

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