Maharani Jind Kaur plaque

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21 minutes ago, MisterrSingh said:

He had his blind spots (no pun intended)

[Ranjeet01]

40 minutes ago, MisterrSingh said:

He had his blind spots (no pun intended)

I don't know if this expression relates to him , " In the land of the blind, the one eyed man is King!"

[MisterrSingh]

35 minutes ago, ChardikalaUK said:

Yes you can admire him as a ruler but should his portrait be placed in Gurdwaras alongside pious men like the Gurus, Baba Deep Singh, Hari Singh Nalwa and Banda Singh Bahadur?

No, I don't think so. But he should never be forgotten.

[TigerForce1]

2 hours ago, ChardikalaUK said:

Yes you can admire him as a ruler but should his portrait be placed in Gurdwaras alongside pious men like the Gurus, Baba Deep Singh, Hari Singh Nalwa and Banda Singh Bahadur?

If his portrait invokes a desire to be free then yes.  He still has a part to play in the pursuing freedom.  Until that pursuit is fulfilled we can’t just simply discard him to the history books.  Don’t forget the British Empire went to extremes to suppress his history and legacy, because they knew he could spark a revolution even from his tomb. 

[californiasardar1]

17 hours ago, KhoonKaBadlaKhoon2 said:

You need to do some paaht or something. Every post of yours on here is negative and hate filled. Do you have nothing else to contribute?

 

How about all of your "negative and hate-filled" posts directed towards me?

At least I am talking about actual issues rather than engaging in personal attacks against people who I don't know.

[californiasardar1]

10 hours ago, ChardikalaUK said:

It's sad that we have to look up to him so much. Do Muslims go on about Salladin so much? Do Protestants go on about Henry VII?

 

Exactly. It illustrates just how insecure we are as a community. We do not have to behave so insecurely. We have great examples in our Gurus and the numerous Gursikhs of the past and present. It's these examples that Sikhs need to hold up, not the examples of random Punjabis who spent their lives just trying to enrich themselves.

Elevating a sinful warlord and all of his kin is just one example of our insecurity. As another example, look how proud many Sikhs are of Sikh soldiers who served the British Empire and the current tyrannical Indian regime. How strange is it for a community to be simultaneously proud of soldiers serving to protect the British empire and of freedom fighters trying to overthrow the empire?

And speaking of "freedom fighters," isn't it also strange for a religious community to take so much pride in people who have openly and clearly renounced the Sikh faith? If someone wants to admire certain aspects of atheists of Sikh descent who fought against the British Empire, fine, but I don't see why they should be admired by us any more than Hindus or various other non-Sikhs who fought against colonialism. Moreover, there were plenty of devout Sikhs who opposed British rule who could be held up as examples instead.

 

It's the massive insecurity of the Sikh community that has created an environment where we don't feel like we can do basic things like insist that a Sikh religious wedding ceremony should be between two Sikhs. No other major faith allows interfaith religious wedding ceremonies.

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1 hour ago, californiasardar1 said:

And speaking of "freedom fighters," isn't it also strange for a religious community to take so much pride in people who have openly and clearly renounced the Sikh faith? If someone wants to admire certain aspects of atheists of Sikh descent who fought against the British Empire, fine, but I don't see why they should be admired by us any more than Hindus or various other non-Sikhs who fought against colonialism. Moreover, there were plenty of devout Sikhs who opposed British rule who could be held up as examples instead.

I think most people are unaware that he was an atheist, most freedom fighters were quite secular, so its no surprise. 

I think he is more popular among the youth because he was young himself. 

In recent years I've seen more and more people interested in Kartar Singh Sarabha. 

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If anyone is interested there's a free kindle book on Jind Kaur, around 250 pages, I haven't read it yet ...

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Maharani-Jind-Kaur-Regent-Lahore-ebook/dp/B08FMT1S8Z/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=maharani+jind+kaur&qid=1615851919&s=digital-text&sr=1-1

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32 minutes ago, puzzled said:

I think most people are unaware that he was an atheist, most freedom fighters were quite secular, so its no surprise.

I thought Bhagat Singh became a Sikh b4 he died...

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9 minutes ago, intrigued said:

I thought Bhagat Singh became a Sikh b4 he died...

Apparently he did, but I think his essay on why he became an atheist was written or released after his meeting with bhai Randhir Singh ji.