Can Non Sikhs go to sachkhand?

[shastarSingh]

3 hours ago, Arsh1469 said:

I don't disagree but what about Bhagat Farid Ji. He was born nearly 200 years before Guru Nanak Dev Ji. Also a couple more Bhagats had died before Guru Nanak.

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[jkvlondon]

Sheikh Farid sakargunj was the author of the Bani we read in Guru ji , the tradition in his group was the leader next to take the kursi of the Wali was renamed Farid ji too . So yes Farid ji met Guru ji but not the original although one knows 'sabh Gobind hai Sabh Gobind hai' and 'Har Harjan dohay ikk hai , bib bichar kach nahin...'

I have heard that original panj piare were bhagats reborn to take amrit specifically and do sewa of panth.

[shastarSingh]

14 minutes ago, jkvlondon said:

I have heard that original panj piare were bhagats reborn to take amrit specifically and do sewa of panth.

yes it's mentioned in Khalsa Mool Mantar

 

[H908]

The fareed whose bani is in sggs is the 27h fareed of the lineage. Guru sahib met him. And yes guru sahib met all the bhagats and they were sikhs. Where kabeer mentions satguru he means guru sahib

[shastarSingh]

Guru Nanak Dev ji is the greatest.

Raam, Krishan etc. r nuthing in front of Guru Sahib.

that's what Hindus can't digest.

even Guru Sahib's Sikhs r way above Vishnu.

[intrigued]

1 hour ago, jkvlondon said:

I have heard that original panj piare were bhagats reborn to take amrit specifically and do sewa of panth.

If I could play devil's advocate for a moment:

• Why only males in the panj piare, if it was predestined? Could it not have been women as well if it was not Sikhs that already had extreme love of Guru Sahib Ji (enough to give their lives)
• Did the bhagats know what was going to happen since they all had gian? Does that mean that there was no other Sikh who in 1 life, had enough pyar of Guru Sahib Ji (enough to give their lives)

 

For me, the reason that "the panj piare always have to be males, because the first 5 piare were" was not really sufficient. Here's another explanation that I really like:

When one takes amrit, it is a spiritual rebirth. Guru Gobind Singh Ji becomes your spiritual father and Mata Sahib Kaur becomes the spiritual mother. Since females give the physical birth, males give the spiritual birth.

 

Bhul Chuk Maaf 

[jkvlondon]

1 hour ago, intrigued said:

If I could play devil's advocate for a moment:

• Why only males in the panj piare, if it was predestined? Could it not have been women as well if it was not Sikhs that already had extreme love of Guru Sahib Ji (enough to give their lives)
• Did the bhagats know what was going to happen since they all had gian? Does that mean that there was no other Sikh who in 1 life, had enough pyar of Guru Sahib Ji (enough to give their lives)

 

For me, the reason that "the panj piare always have to be males, because the first 5 piare were" was not really sufficient. Here's another explanation that I really like:

When one takes amrit, it is a spiritual rebirth. Guru Gobind Singh Ji becomes your spiritual father and Mata Sahib Kaur becomes the spiritual mother. Since females give the physical birth, males give the spiritual birth.

 

Bhul Chuk Maaf 

What I have heard is to embody the Guru in that special time and place , the panj must be rehityaan gursikhs of the calibre that they have never had to do pesh , or slipped in their nitnem and amritvela ever as the asthaan has to be sucha for the job (hirdaae) . Men because it represents Akal Roop as the only male  principle amongst us. Until a sant of high avasta and khalsa panth decides otherwise it will stay so.

[Koi]

18 hours ago, Arsh1469 said:

I don't disagree but what about Bhagat Farid Ji. He was born nearly 200 years before Guru Nanak Dev Ji. Also a couple more Bhagats had died before Guru Nanak.

With regards to Bhagat Farid Ji, Guru Nanak Maharaj met Sheikh Brahm. "Farid" is the gadhi of the saints. Sheikh Brahm was the 4th Farid from the one who you are referring to.

Interesting side note: Sant Baba Nand Singh Ji Maharaj Kaleran Wale said that they were Sheikh Brahm in a previous life.

[Ranjeet01]

It is Maharaj in his kirpa that can decide whether a Non-Sikh will go to Sachkand.

Maharaj's hukam is universal. 

It is not for us to be able to assume whether a Non Sikh will not go/ go to Sachkand.

A non-Sikh has to be answerable to their karma like the rest of us.

This is between the Non-Sikh and Maharaj. 

[MisterrSingh]

11 hours ago, jkvlondon said:

I have heard that original panj piare were bhagats reborn to take amrit specifically and do sewa of panth.

I use to adore these types of theories when I was younger. But if you stop to analyse the implications behind them and tally them up with Sikh philosophy not only per Gurbani but ancillary writings, they do a lot of damage for thinking Sikhs. You can impress and shut-up an unthinking pendu with pretty much anything, but try that with someone even a little more considerate and you're opening up Pandora's Box.