Why do British Sikhs write "pen ji" instead of "bhan ji" and "pend" instead of "pind", etc.

[puzzled]

5 minutes ago, intrigued said:

On my dad's side Chandigarh and on mom's i think Ludhiana. Both sides trace their roots to pre partition Panjab though

Yeah its probably because of dialect that you speak.

On a side note, this is why its important to teach kids Punjabi, there are sounds/tones in Punjabi that don't exist in English. Otherwise western Sikhs will be pronouncing bani with very broken words! 

[intrigued]

28 minutes ago, puzzled said:

Otherwise western Sikhs will be pronouncing bani with very broken words!

I'm already seeing some of it's effects. Every parent should teach their child abt Sikhi but many don't nowadays.

[puzzled]

24 minutes ago, intrigued said:

I'm already seeing some of it's effects. Every parent should teach their child abt Sikhi but many don't nowadays.

Yeah its in full swing. One of my friends he's around 10 years older than me and he has two little kids. He believes in God but doesn't believe in karma, reincarnation, heaven/hell, divine judgment etc nothing!   so what exactly is he gnna teach his two little kids?   

Its happening everywhere ...  

[Suchi]

3 hours ago, puzzled said:

Yeah its in full swing. One of my friends he's around 10 years older than me and he has two little kids. He believes in God but doesn't believe in karma, reincarnation, heaven/hell, divine judgment etc nothing!   so what exactly is he gnna teach his two little kids?   

Its happening everywhere ...  

His kids will learn though his and his wife's example. Other than that the school and life experiences do the teaching. 

[5aaban]

On 3/29/2021 at 7:36 PM, californiasardar1 said:

I have tried to refrain from commenting on this, but I have noticed these peculiarities in most posts on these forums over the years.

So what is the explanation? Is it due to a different pronunciation in the Doabi dialect that most of you speak (I know most of you have roots in the Doaba region)?

Replacing 'i' with 'e' in certain words is a characteristic of Doaba Panjabi. For example, the word 'khich' (to pull) is pronounced as 'khech', 'vich' (inside) is pronounced as 'bech' and 'pind' is pronounced as 'pend'.  

Doab lies between Beas River and the Satluj River and comprises of Jalandhar, Hoshiarpur, Kapurthala and Nawanshahr districts and certain areas of Ludhiana district. Doaba dialect is also spoken in Toba Tek Singh and Faisalabad districts of Pakistan due to post-1947 migration of Muslim populace from East Panjab. 

Majority of diaspora Sikhs (especially from Britain) trace their origins to Doaba so you will come across this style of Panjabi more than others when overseas. 

[NaamTiharoJoJape]

daas write "bhainji" 

[dallysingh101]

I think many british raised apnay REALLY struggle to pronounce ਭ and turn it into a ਪ. I definitely do. 

Or is it a Malwai thing?

I noticed as well (growing up) the norm was to use the sound (phoneme) associated with ਫ਼ instead of properly pronouncing the aspirated ਫ.      

 

 

[5aaban]

On 2/13/2022 at 10:55 PM, dallysingh101 said:

I think many british raised apnay REALLY struggle to pronounce ਭ and turn it into a ਪ. I definitely do. 

Or is it a Malwai thing?

I noticed as well (growing up) the norm was to use the sound (phoneme) associated with ਫ਼ instead of properly pronouncing the aspirated ਫ.      

 

 

It’s a diaspora thing. Malvai's pronounce ਭ correctly. 

[dallysingh101]

37 minutes ago, 5aaban said:

It’s a diaspora thing. 

Yeah but Malwa folk do seem to 'soften' a lot of phonemes. That's why other dialects seem so crude to us maybe? 

[Singh1989]

Bhen Ji for me... One used to be peng which is worst! Google Peng you certainly won't get the same meaning. Bhaji instead of paaji but 22g sounds cool too.