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Why do British Sikhs write "pen ji" instead of "bhan ji" and "pend" instead of "pind", etc.


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I have tried to refrain from commenting on this, but I have noticed these peculiarities in most posts on these forums over the years.

So what is the explanation? Is it due to a different pronunciation in the Doabi dialect that most of you speak (I know most of you have roots in the Doaba region)?

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10 hours ago, californiasardar1 said:

I have tried to refrain from commenting on this, but I have noticed these peculiarities in most posts on these forums over the years.

So what is the explanation? Is it due to a different pronunciation in the Doabi dialect that most of you speak (I know most of you have roots in the Doaba region)?

Where in Punjab are your family from?

I think it’s because of someone doesn’t know Gurmukhi , they don’t appreciate the Bh- sound as much and not know difference between ‘pappa’ and ‘’bhabha’

in Gurmukhi 

4 hours ago, Dsinghd said:

Yes most Punjabis here from Jalandhar district. 

More accurately, I think you mean Doaba including Kaputthala, Nawansheher And Hoshiarpur districts

as above, it’s not IMO the region people’s family are from just that they are not versed in Gurmukhi 

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17 minutes ago, Premi5 said:

I think it’s because of someone doesn’t know Gurmukhi , they don’t appreciate the Bh- sound as much and not know difference between ‘pappa’ and ‘’bhabha’

in Gurmukhi 

It’s just a regional thing.  The same as when people from Doaba pronounce the V&W’s as B’s, such as Vaal/Baal, Vatta/Batta, Vinga/Binga, Vaisakhi/Baisakhi, Video/Bideo and not forgetting Window/Bindow.  Slight differences between Maja, Doaba and Malwa.  

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1 hour ago, TigerForce1 said:

It’s just a regional thing.  The same as when people from Doaba pronounce the V&W’s as B’s, such as Vaal/Baal, Vatta/Batta, Vinga/Binga, Vaisakhi/Baisakhi, Video/Bideo and not forgetting Window/Bindow.  Slight differences between Maja, Doaba and Malwa.  

People from Malwa can also mix the B/v sounds and actually some of your examples can be correct either way in written Punjabi 

Those who speak Punjabi as first language or know Gurmukhi know when sounds are -bh rather than -p 

i have noticed the ‘pend’ rather than pind is a Doabia thing though 

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im from canada and i say pan, pind, kidda instead of kimmeh, loon instead of noon my family is from Doaba region near nawanshar, Here in Canada most ppl i have met were either Doabis or Malwa recently there has been increase in majha ppl , I think doabis are more prominient on the West coast, and ppl from malwa are more near toronto brampton

however i do not have any relatives in UK that I know of  besides my dads mama da munda who got deported 

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Its a regional thing. Instead of saying Chhotta I say Shotta  for small. It becomes a bit of a tongue twister at times when reading bani lol 

Tongue feels weird when I use the Chh instead of Sha  lol 

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8 minutes ago, intrigued said:

its the opposite for me lol

😄  Where's your family from in Punjab?   I can pronounce the Chh but it just feels weird and unnatural lol  

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2 minutes ago, puzzled said:

Where's your family from in Punjab?

On my dad's side Chandigarh and on mom's i think Ludhiana. Both sides trace their roots to pre partition Panjab though

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5 minutes ago, intrigued said:

On my dad's side Chandigarh and on mom's i think Ludhiana. Both sides trace their roots to pre partition Panjab though

Yeah its probably because of dialect that you speak.

On a side note, this is why its important to teach kids Punjabi, there are sounds/tones in Punjabi that don't exist in English. Otherwise western Sikhs will be pronouncing bani with very broken words! 

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28 minutes ago, puzzled said:

Otherwise western Sikhs will be pronouncing bani with very broken words!

I'm already seeing some of it's effects. Every parent should teach their child abt Sikhi but many don't nowadays.

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24 minutes ago, intrigued said:

I'm already seeing some of it's effects. Every parent should teach their child abt Sikhi but many don't nowadays.

Yeah its in full swing. One of my friends he's around 10 years older than me and he has two little kids. He believes in God but doesn't believe in karma, reincarnation, heaven/hell, divine judgment etc nothing!   so what exactly is he gnna teach his two little kids?   

Its happening everywhere ...  

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3 hours ago, puzzled said:

Yeah its in full swing. One of my friends he's around 10 years older than me and he has two little kids. He believes in God but doesn't believe in karma, reincarnation, heaven/hell, divine judgment etc nothing!   so what exactly is he gnna teach his two little kids?   

Its happening everywhere ...  

His kids will learn though his and his wife's example. Other than that the school and life experiences do the teaching. 

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