Which spiritual literature is better? Persian or vedic

[shastarSingh]

1 hour ago, NaamTiharoJoJape said:

so you refute/dispute the authenticity of the taksal in times of sant baba gurbachan singh ji, sant kartar singh ji, sant jarnail singh ji, etc.

I hv great respect for all taksal jathedaars u mentioned.

I long for the charan dhoor(dust) of the feet of Baba Jarnail Singh Bhindranwale.

But only Guru Sahib is 100% correct.

Just because taksali Singhs started reading lot more vedic granths due to nirmala influence, that does not mean they lost all their spiritual power and we saw that power in 1984.

Taksal is very important for Khalsa panth but it needs some improvements.

[NaamTiharoJoJape]

12 minutes ago, shastarSingh said:

I hv great respect for all taksal jathedaars u mentioned.

I long for the charan dhoor(dust) of the feet of Baba Jarnail Singh Bhindranwale.

But only Guru Sahib is 100% correct.

Just because taksali Singhs started reading lot more vedic granths due to nirmala influence, that does not mean they lost all their spiritual power and we saw that power in 1984.

Taksal is very important for Khalsa panth but it needs some improvements.

glad we can agree on that

but I don't think it is too nirmala influenced (I am not a taksali by no means) other than what I mentioned bout the akhand paaths etc. (same goes for sant samajis)

I think I talked bout taksal in another thread, but modern day Taksal would be puratan version of nirmalas back when they were panthic scholars being the forefront of parchar as Taksal was originally indistinguishable from Tarna Dal/nihang singhs 

maybe we can open a seperate thread on how influenced do you think many of the sants of 20th century by nirmalas (IMO more than taksal itself) because that is something I find weird 

also I think you are responding to former much earlier replies of mine I just noticed 

[intrigued]

2 hours ago, NaamTiharoJoJape said:

only abnormal thing I can think of taksaal doing in a brahmanical way are the akhand paaths

how is it different than normal akhand paaths

[intrigued]

I wanna learn both persian and sanskrit one day...

[NaamTiharoJoJape]

1 minute ago, intrigued said:

how is it different than normal akhand paaths

just in general where people treat it like mantras or havan 

and make it a kirt for the paathi 

and there is nobody there to listen or etc. 

also getting into the numbers game of 101 jaap of etc., or 50 guru swaroop in same room having akhand paath (attributed to usually sant deras) 

[intrigued]

1 minute ago, NaamTiharoJoJape said:

just in general where people treat it like mantras or havan 

and make it a kirt for the paathi 

and there is nobody there to listen or etc. 

also getting into the numbers game of 101 jaap of etc., or 50 guru swaroop in same room having akhand paath (attributed to usually sant deras) 

imo, if 1 sehaj paath is done with proper contemplation and devotion, it is better than an akhand paath where the priority is how fast one is doing it to finish in a certain time. I think a lot of the number games start small, with you have to finish akhand paath in 2 days and then it builds up to stuff. but at least they are doing jaap even if they are attaching a number to it, that's more than what a lot of other sikhs do

[NaamTiharoJoJape]

8 minutes ago, intrigued said:

I wanna learn both persian and sanskrit one day...

you should, but I am just saying one should be more prioritized for all the reasons given in my posts 

for examplle, even guru sahiban first recieved education of sanskrit before moving on the persian, madrasas etc. 

[NaamTiharoJoJape]

4 minutes ago, intrigued said:

imo, if 1 sehaj paath is done with proper contemplation and devotion, it is better than an akhand paath where the priority is how fast one is doing it to finish in a certain time. I think a lot of the number games start small, with you have to finish akhand paath in 2 days and then it builds up to stuff. but at least they are doing jaap even if they are attaching a number to it, that's more than what a lot of other sikhs do

very true, but today we often see people who never do nitnem but then do a akhand paath when startting a business etc. as if guru is a wish genie 

and often begin to engage in bujjer kurehit the next day 

hora vale ki gal kara, I can see this in my own family with certain individuals 

the better than nothing logic is of merit, but we need to see a end result and progression, not just seeing deras doing 50 akhand paaths at once in a single room of paathis at every barsi of one of their mukhis 

[intrigued]

4 minutes ago, NaamTiharoJoJape said:

you should, but I am just saying one should be more prioritized for all the reasons given in my posts 

for examplle, even guru sahiban first recieved education of sanskrit before moving on the persian, madrasas etc. 

sanskrit will be more easier to learn i think because of prior knowledge of bani and gurmukhi

[NaamTiharoJoJape]

1 minute ago, intrigued said:

sanskrit will be more easier to learn i think because of prior knowledge of bani and gurmukhi

exactly my point, it is more attuned to bani than farsi for the bigger picture, hence the priority