Jump to content

The Saint-Soldier: Documentary on Bhai Maharaj Singh of Bhai Daya Singh Sampardaya (first Sikh in Singapore albeit as a captive of the british)


Recommended Posts

4 hours ago, dallysingh101 said:

Well worth a watch folks. Akaal Purakh bless the Bhai Daya Singh sampadaya. 

 

 

doesnt that nirmala sampardayi order its followers to become amritdhari? 

are theres others like it? 

didn't bhai maharaj singh belong to naurangabad dera (was baba bir singh ji nirmala?) 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

9 hours ago, NaamTiharoJoJape said:

doesnt that nirmala sampardayi order its followers to become amritdhari? 

are theres others like it? 

didn't bhai maharaj singh belong to naurangabad dera (was baba bir singh ji nirmala?) 

I'm no expert, but I don't think there were clear cut lines like you are suggesting above, I think nirmala influences are abound in the panth, apart from maybe in the modernist Singh Sabha lehar and other offshoots from it, like the missionary movement.  I don't think Sikhi has ever been about 'ordering' people to take amrit. 

Yes, Bhai Maharaj Singh ji was a shardhaloo of Bhai Bir Singh Naurangabad (who I learnt from the documentary was a Khalsa soldier in M. Ranjit Singh's army before they became a sant. Judging from the documentary Bhai Bir Singh was like one of the central dharmic figures during the latter part of M. Ranjit Singh's reign. That's probably why the Dogra's attacked the dera and made him shaheed. 

Bhai Bir Singh passed on his gaddi to Bhai Maharaj Singh ji.  

Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • The title was changed to The Saint-Soldier: Documentary on Bhai Maharaj Singh of Bhai Daya Singh Sampardaya (first Sikh in Singapore albeit as a captive of the british)
1 hour ago, dallysingh101 said:

I'm no expert, but I don't think there were clear cut lines like you are suggesting above, I think nirmala influences are abound in the panth, apart from maybe in the modernist Singh Sabha lehar and other offshoots from it, like the missionary movement.  I don't think Sikhi has ever been about 'ordering' people to take amrit. 

Yes, Bhai Maharaj Singh ji was a shardhaloo of Bhai Bir Singh Naurangabad (who I learnt from the documentary was a Khalsa soldier in M. Ranjit Singh's army before they became a sant. Judging from the documentary Bhai Bir Singh was like one of the central dharmic figures during the latter part of M. Ranjit Singh's reign. That's probably why the Dogra's attacked the dera and made him shaheed. 

Bhai Bir Singh passed on his gaddi to Bhai Maharaj Singh ji.  

even if it doesnt instruct its followers to do so, seems like a lot of panthic figures have come from there (hoti mardaan sant, kaharpuri, harkowal wale, etc.) 

I forget now but there was this one panthic leader who took amrit from hands of Baba Bir singh ji Nauarangabad wale 

(other than bhai maharaj singh ji) 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

9 minutes ago, NaamTiharoJoJape said:

I forget now but there was this one panthic leader who took amrit from hands of Baba Bir singh ji Nauarangabad wale 

(other than bhai maharaj singh ji) 

See if you can find out or remember who this is? 

These sampardaya are REALLY important right now (not that they weren't in the past as the thread demonstrates), because they have retained some stuff lost during the Singh Sabha lehar and also give us a trustable source to finally take ourselves out of the colonial baggage too many apnay still live in the shadow of.  

Link to comment
Share on other sites

42 minutes ago, dallysingh101 said:

See if you can find out or remember who this is? 

These sampardaya are REALLY important right now (not that they weren't in the past as the thread demonstrates), because they have retained some stuff lost during the Singh Sabha lehar and also give us a trustable source to finally take ourselves out of the colonial baggage too many apnay still live in the shadow of.  

Very frustrated right now

If I had to guess it would be some nihang singh like akali mitt singh, akali kaur singh jee, or baba Sahib singh ji kaladhari

It absolutely is a shame that Singh sabha sgpc guys have sidelined figures like baba binod singh ji akali 

And naurangabad mahapursh 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

5 minutes ago, NaamTiharoJoJape said:

Very frustrated right now

If I had to guess it would be some nihang singh like akali mitt singh, akali kaur singh jee, or baba Sahib singh ji kaladhari

It absolutely is a shame that Singh sabha sgpc guys have sidelined figures like baba binod singh ji akali 

And naurangabad mahapursh 

With Guru ji's kirpaa I think the SGPC's moon's eclipse of the sun will be over soon, and all Sikhs will be able to see the light that's been covered up - those that want too that is. I'm sure we'll have hordes of apnay who will resist and try and keep things as they are for reasons of stupidity and greed.    

We are going to take back our historiography and narrative!

Link to comment
Share on other sites

13 minutes ago, NaamTiharoJoJape said:

Lol maybe we can bring back last two couplets of sri benti chaupaee 

I think that was due to bapu teja singh bhausaria 

That guy has caused tons of bigan in panth that ripples to date

Might be the original missionary sikh we were talking about in another thread

I think it was/is more of a mindset/political thing; as opposed to just down to one person. Bhausaria might exemplify this thinking to an extreme, but variations of it existed in other important places and still persist today.

I think in the modern context, the ultimate climax of such thinking is exemplified in the writings of people like W. H. Mcleod and in the mind of his mentor 'older brother' J. S. Grewal and others who promote such reductionalist thinking, as if it helps explain Sikhs and Sikhi. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

10 minutes ago, dallysingh101 said:

I think it was/is more of a mindset/political thing; as opposed to just down to one person. Bhausaria might exemplify this thinking to an extreme, but variations of it existed in other important places and still persist today.

I think in the modern context, the ultimate climax of such thinking is exemplified in the writings of people like W. H. Mcleod and in the mind of his mentor 'older brother' J. S. Grewal and others who promote such reductionalist thinking, as if it helps explain Sikhs and Sikhi. 

Did singh sabha figures like bhai kahn singh nabha and bhai veer singh support the cut-vad of sri benti chaupai? I've heard the former jathedar vedantis lame excuse for cutting last two couplets saying it doesnt follow ardas theme but that is debunked by guru Sahibs last promise that "man baanchat phal paavai soee dookh na tisai biapat koee" 

 

Was this solely due to people getting offended by "jag mata" 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

Loading...
 Share


  • advertisement_alt
  • advertisement_alt
  • advertisement_alt


  • Topics

  • Posts

    • yeh it's true, we shouldn't be lazy and need to learn jhatka shikaar. It doesn't help some of grew up in surrounding areas like Slough and Southall where everyone thought it was super bad for amrit dharis to eat meat, and they were following Sant babas and jathas, and instead the Singhs should have been normalising jhatka just like the recent world war soldiers did. We are trying to rectifiy this and khalsa should learn jhatka.  But I am just writing about bhog for those that are still learning rehit. As I explained, there are all these negative influences in the panth that talk against rehit, but this shouldn't deter us from taking khanda pahul, no matter what level of rehit we are!
    • How is it going to help? The link is of a Sikh hunter. Fine, but what good does that do the lazy Sikh who ate khulla maas in a restaurant? By the way, for the OP, yes, it's against rehit to eat khulla maas.
    • Yeah, Sikhs should do bhog of food they eat. But the point of bhog is to only do bhog of food which is fit to be presented to Maharaj. It's not maryada to do bhog of khulla maas and pretend it's OK to eat. It's not. Come on, bro, you should know better than to bring this Sakhi into it. Is this Sikh in the restaurant accompanied by Guru Gobind Singh ji? Is he fighting a dharam yudh? Or is he merely filling his belly with the nearest restaurant?  Please don't make a mockery of our puratan Singhs' sacrifices by comparing them to lazy Sikhs who eat khulla maas.
    • Seriously?? The Dhadi is trying to be cute. For those who didn't get it, he said: "Some say Maharaj killed bakras (goats). Some say he cut the heads of the Panj Piyaras. The truth is that they weren't goats. It was she-goats (ਬਕਰੀਆਂ). He jhatka'd she-goats. Not he-goats." Wow. This is possibly the stupidest thing I've ever heard in relation to Sikhi.
    • Instead of a 9 inch or larger kirpan, take a smaller kirpan and put it (without gatra) inside your smaller turban and tie the turban tightly. This keeps a kirpan on your person without interfering with the massage or alarming the masseuse. I'm not talking about a trinket but rather an actual small kirpan that fits in a sheath (you'll have to search to find one). As for ahem, "problems", you could get a male masseuse. I don't know where you are, but in most places there are professional masseuses who actually know what they are doing and can really relieve your muscle pains.
×
×
  • Create New...

Important Information

Terms of Use