Are Sikhs addicted to appeasing "others" at their own cost

[MisterrSingh]

On 6/4/2021 at 11:11 AM, Guest amar said:

During COVID, we all saw how various Sikhs and Sikh NGOs came forward to help people of all religions,castes,etc as its our belief to do so. Delhi gurudwara donated gold and silvers worth crores to build hospital and recently inaugurated free hundred bed dialysis center. Good. Very Good. 

But where all these charity goes when sikhs in punjab themselves are suffering due to daily farmers suicides, families destroyed due to fake encounters, drugs, poor employment opportunities, immigration,etc.

When we are in trouble, nobody comes to help. Not even our own and nor the ones whom we helped. Normal educated people dont even want to discuss the solutions of these problems.  Ofcourse, we have Khalsa Aid, but it can only contribute an iota of whats required.

Its like our own house is on fire but we are rushing to see if our neighbors need any help.

Our leaders were all puppets who worked at behest of our enemies. Even they cheated us. 

Are Sikhs addicted to appeasing "others" at their own cost.

When the cornerstone of Sikh religious philosophy (that's been repeatedly expounded to the sangat for centuries) is of a beloved Sikh sevadar who provided succour to enemy combatants on the battlefield rendering the soldierly efforts of his fellow Sikhs to be next to useless, is held up as an aspirational mentality to be cherished and emulated, then what else should we expect?

[dallysingh101]

This is from Desa Singh's rahit, so it's fairly old. Look at the last three lines, it focuses on charity between Singhs. 

 

[dallysingh101]

42 minutes ago, MisterrSingh said:

When the cornerstone of Sikh religious philosophy (that's been repeatedly expounded to the sangat for centuries) is of a beloved Sikh sevadar who provided succour to enemy combatants on the battlefield rendering the soldierly efforts of his fellow Sikhs to be next to useless, is held up as an aspirational mentality to be cherished and emulated, then what else should we expect?

Until we go through all our extant puratan text's sakhis and understand which were actually contemporary/close contemporary to our Gurus physical time, we can't tell which sakhis are later incorporations, or ones given prominence during the dubious colonial period to make us docile.

[jkvlondon]

3 hours ago, MisterrSingh said:

When the cornerstone of Sikh religious philosophy (that's been repeatedly expounded to the sangat for centuries) is of a beloved Sikh sevadar who provided succour to enemy combatants on the battlefield rendering the soldierly efforts of his fellow Sikhs to be next to useless, is held up as an aspirational mentality to be cherished and emulated, then what else should we expect?

but Guru ji said that they are our enemies whilst they attack and are hellbent on hurting us, they only become our brothers when they are rendered incapicitated , when we then help them but if they return to their previous actions then we are to return to previous footing. it was never meant to be a static switchover, as even the mughals who Bhai Ghaniya helped  some returned to enemy footing , he didn't allow them to kill him remember he was shastardhari too too much turning all our heroes into pacifistic babey . Have you not noticed the depictions show the musque but no gatra which is impossible of a gursikh at that time period.

[jkvlondon]

3 hours ago, dallysingh101 said:

Until we go through all our extant puratan text's sakhis and understand which were actually contemporary/close contemporary to our Gurus physical time, we can't tell which sakhis are later incorporations, or ones given prominence during the dubious colonial period to make us docile.

anything that shows the love for khalsa and to serve poor as Guru ji showed is pretty much trustable but when it goes one to praise 'brahmin' singhs you know its BS because 'kul nash, varaan nash, dharam nash' doctrine of Amrit sanchar.

[Kau89r8]

 

[MisterrSingh]

20 hours ago, jkvlondon said:

but Guru ji said that they are our enemies whilst they attack and are hellbent on hurting us, they only become our brothers when they are rendered incapicitated , when we then help them but if they return to their previous actions then we are to return to previous footing. it was never meant to be a static switchover, as even the mughals who Bhai Ghaniya helped  some returned to enemy footing...

What do you propose we view them as when they become the enemy again ONLY because they were nursed back to health by our side? If we keep healing them and they return to reduce our numbers thanks to our demented efforts to please God knows who, what then? It's cloud cuckoo-land. Who fights a war to WIN with such a horribly confused philosophy hanging over their heads?

 

20 hours ago, jkvlondon said:

... as even the mughals who Bhai Ghaniya helped  some returned to enemy footing , he didn't allow them to kill him remember he was shastardhari too too much turning all our heroes into pacifistic babey . Have you not noticed the depictions show the musque but no gatra which is impossible of a gursikh at that time period.

Too late for this now. My cynical self suspects this to be revisionisim to save face or rectify centuries of damaging parchaar that has had the opposite affect of what was intended. NOT ONE giani or kathavachak has EVER contextualised Bhai Kanaiya's escapades on the battlefield by discussing his martial prowess. The sakhi has always been employed as a tool to illustrate compassion and fairness. If we suddenly start hearing about how Bhai Sahib cut off Mughal limbs and heads one moment, and then provided water to dying Mughals a few minutes later, we'll become an even bigger laughing stock than we already are.

[jkvlondon]

1 hour ago, MisterrSingh said:

What do you propose we view them as when they become the enemy again ONLY because they were nursed back to health by our side? If we keep healing them and they return to reduce our numbers thanks to our demented efforts to please God knows who, what then? It's cloud cuckoo-land. Who fights a war to WIN with such a horribly confused philosophy hanging over their heads?

 

Too late for this now. My cynical self suspects this to be revisionisim to save face or rectify centuries of damaging parchaar that has had the opposite affect of what was intended. NOT ONE giani or kathavachak has EVER contextualised Bhai Kanaiya's escapades on the battlefield by discussing his martial prowess. The sakhi has always been employed as a tool to illustrate compassion and fairness. If we suddenly start hearing about how Bhai Sahib cut off Mughal limbs and heads one moment, and then provided water to dying Mughals a few minutes later, we'll become an even bigger laughing stock than we already are.

plenty of brahmgiani gursikhs killed mughals and dusht on battlefields does this mean we Believe that they are not like Akal Purakh ? Sikhi's concept is that Akal is ALL things: so destroyer AND creator  where as Christian concept is God is all things good but all things Bad are of the Devil .... seems that this concept has been overlaid onto our ancestors histories to remove the 'complete/nondual' aspect  of sikhi i.e. distort what we are aiming for ..........

 

[dallysingh101]

All degh, and NO tegh = no fateh. 

[MisterrSingh]

13 hours ago, jkvlondon said:

plenty of brahmgiani gursikhs killed mughals and dusht on battlefields does this mean we Believe that they are not like Akal Purakh ? Sikhi's concept is that Akal is ALL things: so destroyer AND creator  where as Christian concept is God is all things good but all things Bad are of the Devil .... seems that this concept has been overlaid onto our ancestors histories to remove the 'complete/nondual' aspect  of sikhi i.e. distort what we are aiming for ..........

 

The people getting roped into fighting wars will need PHDs in religious philosophy and an extra requirement of rubber brains to navigate the mental gymnastics apne churn out at times to justify certain concepts.

Just accept it's okay to want to see your enemy dead. I don't want to hug him or love him. I want his blood, not his friendship. The rest are superfluous concepts too complex for Punjabi minds that have never been adhered to in the cold harsh reality of war, and if true would get good men killed needlessly.