Are Sikhs addicted to appeasing "others" at their own cost

[Guest guest]

On 8/8/2021 at 8:48 AM, dallysingh101 said:

I think you missed my point, it was simply regarding the universally accepted definition of 'warrior' - not who I follow. My point was that they don't always follow strict moral codes (like sant-sipahis).  

I have no idea what happened to the Mongols, I know some of their descendants converted to islam and ended up ruling india.  

Dharam needs to be upheld. 

not concerned with what 'they' do.  it has no relevance.  "ends justify the means" is not a sikh concept at all.  sadly can see that alot of hindus and western christians seem to think chicanery, machinations and brute violence      are acceptable, no doubt some 'sikhs' do too.  

the mongols are not the same as the mughals.  and the mughuls never 'ruled' India- all they did was try to control it with violence.  that failed in the end too.

[Guest sikhs]

On 8/1/2021 at 9:32 PM, dallysingh101 said:

I've heard after the desecration of Harmandir Sahib by Abdali (or some wretched tonda), Sikhs slaughtered a bunch of sullay there, and used prisoners to clean up the defiled sarowar.  

imo those sikhs aught to be denounced

[Guest guest]

On 8/1/2021 at 9:55 PM, dallysingh101 said:

I was recently reading this account of Sikh conflicts during Sikh raj, and this one fundamentalist 'Syed' who'd kept instigating jeehads against the Sikhs (in NWFP area). Anyway, he was thorn in the Sikh side and they had to continually send forces to quell his 'rebellions'. In the end they quashed him. And do you know what the Sikhs did afterwards: They located his body on the field and then burnt it.   

imo those sikhs and their actions should be denounced

[Guest guest]

On 8/1/2021 at 6:08 PM, MisterrSingh said:

History... written... victors... etc.

Losers of wars are seldom provided the courtesy of constructing the narrative and terms of their defeat. If anything they're demonised and humiliated, and accused of doing the very feats they were at pains to avoid.

this doesn't seem true to me anywhere in the world.  Greeks, Romans (Virgil), Old Testament, our Sikh history, Tolstoy (Russia vs Napolean) even recent history like holocaust survivors and Germans and Japanese post war.

[S1ngh]

On 8/13/2021 at 1:43 PM, Guest guest said:

imo those sikhs and their actions should be denounced

Maybe born in Sikh parivaar but not yet Sikh. We welcome all type of voices but there is always a line not to cross. Unfortunately, our folks are wearing blindfolds and crossing that line multiple times.  

[S1ngh]

On 8/13/2021 at 1:39 PM, Guest guest said:

mughuls never 'ruled' India- all they did was try to control it with violence.  that failed in the end too.

Do you agree that "Sikhs" put them out of service and made them run? 

[Guest The UK Govt]

On 6/4/2021 at 11:11 AM, Guest amar said:

During COVID, we all saw how various Sikhs and Sikh NGOs came forward to help people of all religions,castes,etc as its our belief to do so. Delhi gurudwara donated gold and silvers worth crores to build hospital and recently inaugurated free hundred bed dialysis center. Good. Very Good. 

But where all these charity goes when sikhs in punjab themselves are suffering due to daily farmers suicides, families destroyed due to fake encounters, drugs, poor employment opportunities, immigration,etc.

When we are in trouble, nobody comes to help. Not even our own and nor the ones whom we helped. Normal educated people dont even want to discuss the solutions of these problems.  Ofcourse, we have Khalsa Aid, but it can only contribute an iota of whats required.

Its like our own house is on fire but we are rushing to see if our neighbors need any help.

Our leaders were all puppets who worked at behest of our enemies. Even they cheated us. 

Are Sikhs addicted to appeasing "others" at their own cost.

All causes are important, the Gurus helped people from different walks of life recognising humans and other races of beings as equal. 

People seem to have forgotten the crises in Punjab though or just in denial that it's still going on. We shouldbe addressing the issue still and doing what we can, pushing governments to push the fanatical terrorist Indian Government (they've been projecting what they are onto the sikhs for decades). The UK has shown that they are able to step in during crises as in Afghanistan but have been kissing the Indian Govts as*es for decades and pretending they cant get involved. They never stepped in during the terrorist attacks of 1984 when innocents were being slaughtered so it's doubtful they would bother now. Boris Johnson has shown an absolute disregard for whats going on and disrespect for UK Punjabis who its affected both mentally and physically. It's caused many of us trauma and pain and the govt has disregarded that. The UK Govt should be totally boycotted by Sikhs and Punjbais. Why should Sikhs and Punjabis care about or respect them if they so blatantly disregard, disrespect and invalidate us.

[PuzzledToo]

On 8/14/2021 at 4:41 AM, Guest sikhs said:

imo those sikhs aught to be denounced

Thank Goodness we had brave Sikhs like that who knew what to be done to psychologically terrorize the enemy rather than some snowflake like you who would cower,pay jizya and send them your daughters and sisters just so you could have 'peace'. 

[Premi5]

 

https://www.coventrytelegraph.net/news/coventry-news/coventrys-langar-aid-rallies-feed-21446995

Coventry's Langar Aid rallies to feed Afghan refugees arriving at Birmingham Airport

"Langar Aid was honoured to help the refugees coming into the UK"

By

Naomi de SouzaCommunity Reporter

• 05:00, 2 SEP 2021
• UPDATED11:37, 2 SEP 2021

Coventry charity Langar Aid delivered 3,000 sandwiches and lunch bags to Afghan refugees arriving at Birmingham Airport last week.

Those arriving into Birmingham from Kabul were arriving as part of the Afghan resettlement programme.

Some of those arriving will have been some of the 150 families that Coventry City Council has pledged to take in amid the Taliban crisis.

 

They are all Afghan interpreters and their families, who will have served with the British Army.

Around 25 people had already arrived in Coventry by August 19 and that number is expected to increase to 150 by the end of the month.

 

• 

• Coventry charity Langar Aid is part of international charity and humanitarian organisation Khalsa Aid.

They serve the vulnerable and those in need by providing food, donations and equipment to local and international causes.

Since the start of the pandemic, Langar Aid, which is based in Spon End, has run an evening feed for anyone who might need a hot meal in the city.

Coventry based charity Langar Aid delivered 3,000 sandwiches and lunchbags to Afghan refugees arriving at Birmingham Airport last week. (Image: Langar Aid)

So when they got a call from Solihull Council last Tuesday (August 24) to help provide emergency food for those arriving from Taliban held Kabul, they sprang into action.

Langar Aid's Avtar Kaur told CoventryLive : "We only found out on Monday night and on Tuesday everyone was given different tasks.

"I was managing the volunteers, Inderjt Singh was coordinator. It's not just as simple as cheese sandwiches - we must have had about 10 to 15 volunteers that came to help on short notice. Some were able to help for six hours, some just for an hour, but it all helped."

On Tuesday, August 24, the team made 1,000 sandwiches in the early hours, they dropped them off at Birmingham Airport, and did the same on Wednesday and Thursday.

Coventry based charity Langar Aid delivered 3,000 sandwiches and lunchbags to Afghan refugees arriving at Birmingham Airport last week (Image: Langar Aid)

They were prepping 1,000 lunch bags every day in addition to hosting their nightly homeless feeds.

How do they coordinate such a large-scale response at short notice? Ms Kaur explained: "We have our own Langar Aid van, our volunteer also uses his van for deliveries, so we had two vans luckily along with another volunteer who had his work van.

"Everyone was working together fitting in where they can.

"These type of things always happen on the spot - you have to make on-the-spot decisions.

"We have a volunteers Whatsapp group - we're all quite active on there. We spoke to our head office, sorted everything out, and put out a message to anyone that was available, and then asking for volunteers for the next few days. It's just making sure we have enough stock and food items because it's difficult to buy in bulk."

Coventry based charity Langar Aid delivered 3,000 sandwiches and lunchbags to Afghan refugees arriving at Birmingham Airport last week. (Image: Langar Aid)

Asked what was the feeling on the ground as those new arrivals came, Avtar said: "When the first drop-off was done we were in the loading bay and passed the meals to the staff. When you're there at the airport, you're seeing and feeling for all of these people and the situation they're having to go through.

"There's no criteria for who we help. If anyone asks us for help, we help us much as we can.

"1,000 lunch bags are not enough but its the least we can do. These refugees are coming from such a difficult situation, so this is the least we can do to help and comfort them."

She added: "Langar Aid was honoured to help the refugees coming into the UK.

"I always say that the volunteers are the backbone of Langar Aid, because of them, we're able to provide support of such large quantities.

"I'm glad they contacted us because like I said, we're honoured to help."

In May 2021, Langar Aid were awarded the Community Organisation Hero Award at West Midlands Police's Outstanding Citizens Awards after they fed thousands of stranded truck drivers in Dover days before Christmas.

Dave Adams said: "It’s great to see so many positive comments drowning out the reactionary comments about 'send them back' and 'what about our own' etc.

"Coventry is a City built on immigration and peace and reconciliation and welcomes those who through no fault of their own can no longer live in their own country."

Steve Verma said: "It's worth pointing out that the only ones being saved by us are those that worked for us.... translators, embassy staff etc. ... They served us for the last 20 years, and because of that they'll be killed.... because they side with us...."

And there has also been echoes of support in the letters section of the Coventry Telegraph newspaper.

S Harding from Nuneaton wrote on August 31: "It's heartening to see so much support in this country, and this county for Afghan refugees. What a terrible situation for them to be in. Leaving behind all they had lived for and leaving behind family members and friends to whatever rule the Taliban decide to enforce. I hope they can find peace and a successful new life in the UK."

[PuzzledToo]

On 9/6/2021 at 10:18 PM, Premi5 said:

 

https://www.coventrytelegraph.net/news/coventry-news/coventrys-langar-aid-rallies-feed-21446995

Coventry's Langar Aid rallies to feed Afghan refugees arriving at Birmingham Airport

"Langar Aid was honoured to help the refugees coming into the UK"

By

Naomi de SouzaCommunity Reporter

• 05:00, 2 SEP 2021
• UPDATED11:37, 2 SEP 2021

Coventry charity Langar Aid delivered 3,000 sandwiches and lunch bags to Afghan refugees arriving at Birmingham Airport last week.

Those arriving into Birmingham from Kabul were arriving as part of the Afghan resettlement programme.

Some of those arriving will have been some of the 150 families that Coventry City Council has pledged to take in amid the Taliban crisis.

 

They are all Afghan interpreters and their families, who will have served with the British Army.

Around 25 people had already arrived in Coventry by August 19 and that number is expected to increase to 150 by the end of the month.

 

• 

• Coventry charity Langar Aid is part of international charity and humanitarian organisation Khalsa Aid.

They serve the vulnerable and those in need by providing food, donations and equipment to local and international causes.

Since the start of the pandemic, Langar Aid, which is based in Spon End, has run an evening feed for anyone who might need a hot meal in the city.

Coventry based charity Langar Aid delivered 3,000 sandwiches and lunchbags to Afghan refugees arriving at Birmingham Airport last week. (Image: Langar Aid)

So when they got a call from Solihull Council last Tuesday (August 24) to help provide emergency food for those arriving from Taliban held Kabul, they sprang into action.

Langar Aid's Avtar Kaur told CoventryLive : "We only found out on Monday night and on Tuesday everyone was given different tasks.

"I was managing the volunteers, Inderjt Singh was coordinator. It's not just as simple as cheese sandwiches - we must have had about 10 to 15 volunteers that came to help on short notice. Some were able to help for six hours, some just for an hour, but it all helped."

On Tuesday, August 24, the team made 1,000 sandwiches in the early hours, they dropped them off at Birmingham Airport, and did the same on Wednesday and Thursday.

Coventry based charity Langar Aid delivered 3,000 sandwiches and lunchbags to Afghan refugees arriving at Birmingham Airport last week (Image: Langar Aid)

They were prepping 1,000 lunch bags every day in addition to hosting their nightly homeless feeds.

How do they coordinate such a large-scale response at short notice? Ms Kaur explained: "We have our own Langar Aid van, our volunteer also uses his van for deliveries, so we had two vans luckily along with another volunteer who had his work van.

"Everyone was working together fitting in where they can.

"These type of things always happen on the spot - you have to make on-the-spot decisions.

"We have a volunteers Whatsapp group - we're all quite active on there. We spoke to our head office, sorted everything out, and put out a message to anyone that was available, and then asking for volunteers for the next few days. It's just making sure we have enough stock and food items because it's difficult to buy in bulk."

Coventry based charity Langar Aid delivered 3,000 sandwiches and lunchbags to Afghan refugees arriving at Birmingham Airport last week. (Image: Langar Aid)

Asked what was the feeling on the ground as those new arrivals came, Avtar said: "When the first drop-off was done we were in the loading bay and passed the meals to the staff. When you're there at the airport, you're seeing and feeling for all of these people and the situation they're having to go through.

"There's no criteria for who we help. If anyone asks us for help, we help us much as we can.

"1,000 lunch bags are not enough but its the least we can do. These refugees are coming from such a difficult situation, so this is the least we can do to help and comfort them."

She added: "Langar Aid was honoured to help the refugees coming into the UK.

"I always say that the volunteers are the backbone of Langar Aid, because of them, we're able to provide support of such large quantities.

"I'm glad they contacted us because like I said, we're honoured to help."

In May 2021, Langar Aid were awarded the Community Organisation Hero Award at West Midlands Police's Outstanding Citizens Awards after they fed thousands of stranded truck drivers in Dover days before Christmas.

Dave Adams said: "It’s great to see so many positive comments drowning out the reactionary comments about 'send them back' and 'what about our own' etc.

"Coventry is a City built on immigration and peace and reconciliation and welcomes those who through no fault of their own can no longer live in their own country."

Steve Verma said: "It's worth pointing out that the only ones being saved by us are those that worked for us.... translators, embassy staff etc. ... They served us for the last 20 years, and because of that they'll be killed.... because they side with us...."

And there has also been echoes of support in the letters section of the Coventry Telegraph newspaper.

S Harding from Nuneaton wrote on August 31: "It's heartening to see so much support in this country, and this county for Afghan refugees. What a terrible situation for them to be in. Leaving behind all they had lived for and leaving behind family members and friends to whatever rule the Taliban decide to enforce. I hope they can find peace and a successful new life in the UK."

They should have hired this gentleman as part of the welcoming team