Sikhs in Poverty and Future of Panjab

[GurjantGnostic]

48 minutes ago, dallysingh101 said:

What's weird though is that you go to Panjab and it looks like about 80/90% of middle aged adults have obesity issues?

 

It did, this is common knowledge. My point is why there is a complete lack of forethought, dynamism and adaptation; and this is even more strange when you realise that there are so many agricultural universities out there?

 

The whole issue of diverting waters has been a known thing since I was a child. The sinking water table. This was a part of what kicked off the K'stani lehar. Yet farmers have continued to act like this isn't happening. It's strange. You would have thought that at least they would have sent people to study other more effective methods from abroad to counter this. Or developed their own techniques/technology in the unis. Again I'm completely baffled as to what these 'universities' actually contribute to the industry that they purport to service and study? 

Poor food quality makes one fat yet malnourished. 

[dallysingh101]

34 minutes ago, GurjantGnostic said:

Poor food quality makes one fat yet malnourished. 

Yep, you can see this phenomena in the lower white working class here when you go to frozen food specialist called Icelands in England. 

[Suchi]

On 7/8/2021 at 3:00 PM, dallysingh101 said:

Yep, you can see this phenomena in the lower white working class here when you go to frozen food specialist called Icelands in England. 

Yes, we need a high protein and fat diet to burn fat, but we've been sold on a high carb, high sugar diet for decades. Hence why these are also much cheaper as it keeps the pharma industry in profit due to poor nutrition.

[Suchi]

On 7/8/2021 at 1:37 PM, dallysingh101 said:

 

The whole issue of diverting waters has been a known thing since I was a child. The sinking water table. This was a part of what kicked off the K'stani lehar. Yet farmers have continued to act like this isn't happening. It's strange. You would have thought that at least they would have sent people to study other more effective methods from abroad to counter this. Or developed their own techniques/technology in the unis. Again I'm completely baffled as to what these 'universities' actually contribute to the industry that they purport to service and study? 

It's not industry that doesn't want to innovate. It's the Unions that are heavily invested in protecting their financial interests at the cost of the nation's health.  The whole operation seems geared to destroy Punjab as is happening. 

[dallysingh101]

16 hours ago, Suchi said:

It's not industry that doesn't want to innovate. It's the Unions that are heavily invested in protecting their financial interests at the cost of the nation's health.  The whole operation seems geared to destroy Punjab as is happening. 

I don't doubt the strong antipathy towards Panjab (especially Sikhs), but I think there is definitely laziness towards innovation. Like I asked before, what are the umpteen agricultural universities of Panjab doing to develop the economy? 

Plus I think over reliance on agriculture could destroy Panjab because of the lack of robustness of the economy. We need a modern, diverse economy.   

[Ranjeet01]

1 hour ago, dallysingh101 said:

I don't doubt the strong antipathy towards Panjab (especially Sikhs), but I think there is definitely laziness towards innovation. Like I asked before, what are the umpteen agricultural universities of Panjab doing to develop the economy? 

Plus I think over reliance on agriculture could destroy Panjab because of the lack of robustness of the economy. We need a modern, diverse economy.   

If there is one thing I learnt about academia, they are not there to develop economies

[dallysingh101]

1 hour ago, Ranjeet01 said:

If there is one thing I learnt about academia, they are not there to develop economies

You'd think that having umpteen universities dedicated to agriculture would have Panjab's agricultural industry a little bit more on the cutting edge.

Most of us come from rural backgrounds, you might not like the truth, but they are a bit 'conservative' about change. Often they resist and resent it. 

Those unis are probably useless because they've adopted the cronyism and nepotism back home has become famous for now (as opposed to encouraging and nurturing innovation and talent).  

Plus I think you're wrong, higher level academia is usually the frontline for developing people and ideas for economic change. Training people, exploring ideas, assessing current practices and developing new ones, developing strategies for the future. Projecting trends etc. At their best unis (in cooperation with other bodies) serve as think tanks and instruments for change. 

[dallysingh101]

Bottom line is Panjab needs to modernise its economy, and no one is going to help us do it. If anything we have a lot of antipathy towards Panjab, so we have to do it ourselves (and that too in the face of potential subterfuge). Central to this is a mind shift away from doing things like they done at present with all the cronyism, casteism, nepotism etc.

That's the only way Panjab will have a better future and alleviate poverty.

[Ranjeet01]

2 hours ago, dallysingh101 said:

You'd think that having umpteen universities dedicated to agriculture would have Panjab's agricultural industry a little bit more on the cutting edge.

Most of us come from rural backgrounds, you might not like the truth, but they are a bit 'conservative' about change. Often they resist and resent it. 

Those unis are probably useless because they've adopted the cronyism and nepotism back home has become famous for now (as opposed to encouraging and nurturing innovation and talent).  

Plus I think you're wrong, higher level academia is usually the frontline for developing people and ideas for economic change. Training people, exploring ideas, assessing current practices and developing new ones, developing strategies for the future. Projecting trends etc. At their best unis (in cooperation with other bodies) serve as think tanks and instruments for change. 

Higher Level Academia like in the west have become largely indoctrination camps.

All it develops as Nassim Nicholas Taleb calls them are I-Y-I , "Intellectual Yet Idiots"

 

 

[dallysingh101]

39 minutes ago, Ranjeet01 said:

Higher Level Academia like in the west have become largely indoctrination camps.

All it develops as Nassim Nicholas Taleb calls them are I-Y-I , "Intellectual Yet Idiots"

 

 

Well maybe you should have higher expectations? Academia is only a part of any solution. You've said yourself that rural types will only get on board with anything that materially benefits them personally (a kind of super selfishness). There is an alternative, a vision that includes all the panth and not just a self-entitled section of it. That's actually a foundation of Sikhi from the very beginning. It's actually common sense. You've had a modern education, it shouldn't be that hard for you to grasp this???? Surely? We do not have to follow the western model! We can develop and adapt a Sikhicentric one. 

At the risk of offending, you seem to exemplify the very lack of imagination we are talking about. 

It's exactly this type of unimaginative thinking that's setting the whole panth back. With kirpa, (for me personally) I think seeing that photo of Badal Snr with the (now deceased) sullah policeman implicated in umpteen Sikh 'disappearances' told me everything I need to know about the people that continually voted him (and now his successor) in for selfish purposes. 

Are you petrified of change? What exactly is your problem with Panjab having a modern diverse economy and a more egalitarian socio-political perspective?  Is this a casteist outlook? 

Why do you have such low expectations for Sikhs?