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[Arsh1469]

Sant Ji and the Shabad says that anyone who eats fish wine and marijuana will go to hell. Sant Ji goes two steps forward and says it applies to all meat and alcohol. He adds those who drink marijuana will go to hell. This reffers to Shaheedi Degh(What many nihangs drink)I believe it is called. 

[GurjantGnostic]

2 hours ago, Arsh1469 said:

Sant Ji and the Shabad says that anyone who eats fish wine and marijuana will go to hell. Sant Ji goes two steps forward and says it applies to all meat and alcohol. He adds those who drink marijuana will go to hell. This reffers to Shaheedi Degh(What many nihangs drink)I believe it is called. 

That's been covered in depth here bro. That pangti is about a group of people. The Guru Sahiban had Degh Sevadars. 

Your interpretation of the Bani is just off bro. 

If you remove the contexts, one could just as easily say you'd only be in bad shape if you did all three, but it's not about that it's about a sect. 

[ipledgeblue]

On 7/11/2021 at 12:12 AM, Arsh1469 said:

Sant Ji and the Shabad says that anyone who eats fish wine and marijuana will go to hell. Sant Ji goes two steps forward and says it applies to all meat and alcohol. He adds those who drink marijuana will go to hell. This reffers to Shaheedi Degh(What many nihangs drink)I believe it is called. 

 

On 7/11/2021 at 2:22 AM, GurjantGnostic said:

That's been covered in depth here bro. That pangti is about a group of people. The Guru Sahiban had Degh Sevadars. 

Your interpretation of the Bani is just off bro. 

If you remove the contexts, one could just as easily say you'd only be in bad shape if you did all three, but it's not about that it's about a sect. 

yeh it was a sect who used bhang and macchli to reach a higher state, maybe it was shaktas but I can't remember as I don't have the source where I read this from. This pangti is talking about the sect who used these to get high basically, as opposed to naam simran!

[ipledgeblue]

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[Sarbloh1469]

On 7/10/2021 at 9:22 PM, GurjantGnostic said:

That's been covered in depth here bro. That pangti is about a group of people. The Guru Sahiban had Degh Sevadars. 

Your interpretation of the Bani is just off bro. 

If you remove the contexts, one could just as easily say you'd only be in bad shape if you did all three, but it's not about that it's about a sect. 

How would you "INTERPRET" this ?

 

[dharamyudh]

On 8/24/2021 at 3:22 PM, Sarbloh1469 said:

How would you "INTERPRET" this ?

 

It all boils down to each respective jathebandis maryada. 

 

[ipledgeblue]

On 8/24/2021 at 10:22 PM, Sarbloh1469 said:

How would you "INTERPRET" this ?

 

 

On 8/26/2021 at 2:06 AM, dharamyudh said:

It all boils down to each respective jathebandis maryada. 

 

Without even needing to bring in the "modern" jathebandiyaa, normally when panth used to take khanda dee pahul from Budha Dal then jhatka maryada and sukh\ maryada applied.

 

Then after taking pahul you could also join a dera such as Nirmala sikhs, and then you would have to follow their maryada such as if they believed in vegetarianism or no bhang etc.

However, regardless, it seems up until at least Akali Phoola Singh, Pahul was taken from Budha Dal, unless there was a situation which didn't allow this, and then deras such as Nirmalas could probably initiate their own Pahul.   I would say Bhindra taksal kind of fits in the Nirmala bracket, that they have their own dera maryada which should only apply internally within the dera, and not apply in a panthic sense. 

And then modern colonial jathe, I am not even going to go into that.....