Chaupa Singh rahit: Sikh from a bad background and an unruly selfish Sikh

[jkvlondon]

19 hours ago, MisterrSingh said:

These pro-Brahmin bits undermine the entire premise of the thing. You can't pick and choose what bits to follow and what bits to ignore. It's not the Quran, lol.

If you're looking at it purely from an academic perspective as a quasi-piece of literature, then fair play, but if it's something to be adhered to with sincerity, then no chance.

There's also the possibility it IS accurate, which would suggest the Sikh teachings and thoughts of Guru Gobind Singh differ from the ethos and spirit of egaliterianism of Guru Granth Sahib Ji, and accordingly we've been sold an inaccurate approximation of the Sikh faith. That opens up an entirely different can of worms.

errr honestly if you know the Sakhi of the brahmins and Hill rajas refusing Amrit because of having to share bata with non brahmins and Guru ji's words on the matter , you would know that Guru ji would never broker a special status for former anythings because - KUL NASH, VARAAN NASH, DHARAM NASH

[MisterrSingh]

21 hours ago, jkvlondon said:

errr honestly if you know the Sakhi of the brahmins and Hill rajas refusing Amrit because of having to share bata with non brahmins and Guru ji's words on the matter , you would know that Guru ji would never broker a special status for former anythings because - KUL NASH, VARAAN NASH, DHARAM NASH

errr tons of Sikhs know all sorts of sakhis, yet that doesn't mean they follow the religion in the spirit of those accounts. Their familial upbringing and the varying impact that wider Punjabi culture has had on their religious mentality has more of a bearing on the flavour of Sikhi they follow than any historical accounts or commands. That's the REALITY of Sikhs today, not the idealised fairytale that you constantly push as the mainstream.

[dallysingh101]

33 minutes ago, MisterrSingh said:

errr tons of Sikhs know all sorts of sakhis, yet that doesn't mean they follow the religion in the spirit of those accounts. Their familial upbringing and the varying impact that wider Punjabi culture has had on their religious mentality has more of a bearing on the flavour of Sikhi they follow than any historical accounts or commands. That's the REALITY of Sikhs today, not the idealised fairytale that you constantly push as the mainstream.

On a related note:

Now that I can actually read Gurmukhi to an extent, and study some of the pre-colonial texts, what I've realised is that the bank of sakhis that have been commonly doing the rounds over the decades are a tiny fraction of those available. 

And infinitely more interesting and relevant one's exist which don't seem to see the light of day? I wonder who set the ones commonly used these days?   

[MisterrSingh]

15 minutes ago, dallysingh101 said:

And infinitely more interesting and relevant one's exist which don't seem to see the light of day? I wonder who set the ones commonly used these days?   

I would hazard a guess it was a few well meaning scholars with a thorough grasp of psychology and mythology. 

[dallysingh101]

1 hour ago, MisterrSingh said:

I would hazard a guess it was a few well meaning scholars with a thorough grasp of psychology and mythology. 

I don't think you got what I was saying. 

The commonly 'preached' bank of sakhis, is a fraction of those available, and more stirring and informative ones exist. Why were they never used? Like this one for example: