Why nri Sikhs get so easily emotionally fooled?

[dallysingh101]

1 hour ago, Premi5 said:

I thought your theory was that Pakistanis in the UK encouraged bhangra culture for grooming. Bhangra got popular in UK then spread to Punjab

But, I 've spent a fair amount of time in the pind and never seen anyone doing bhangra. Only at wedding parties. 

I think that you REALLY struggle to grasp what I say. And often get the wrong end of the stick.

But let me tell you how I think it went. 

The 80s were appalling for nonwhites in the UK. Openly racist abuse, attacks, a large part of the population especially hated 'p**is' (as in brown people), the smell of the food, the alien dress codes (turbans, shalwaars etc.), goofy accents. Parents were also highly conservative then too. Children were frequently not allowed to socialise outside of school. 

In that background, when certain 'bhangra groups' started doing concerts (like Alaap, Apna Sangeet,Heera, Premi etc), all young brown people jumped on it. It was an identity they could be proud of. It was Sikh Panjabis who dominated the actual groups, but all brown people were turning up to concerts. This also took place with the spread of drinking in the youth, which many had learnt from their fathers or older relatives. People (mainly apnay) were off their heads bhangra paa-ing. Gigs took place during school hours because many parents wouldn't let kids go out in the evening.

Now whilst this was happening, another movement was taking place that came from the north. It was the precursor to what we know now as Islamic fundamentalism. These people disliked the perceived wanton, hedonistic culture of 'Sikhs' and how it was infecting their own community. They stopped sulliyan going to the gigs essentially, and those sullay that went had an impression of drunken sl@gs being available for easy sex. So more and more predators would come to these things. 

Some apnay (especially in B'ham) clocked what was going on. This led to conflicts. 

For a while this industry grew and morphed in various ways. A lot of nonSikhs jumped on the bandwagon to try and make money. Opening up labels, sponsoring gigs trying to make money.

That all being said, it's our own lots fault for promoting this so much. Predators exploited what apnay put out. In the meanwhile, bhangra paa-ing, drinking, and a variety of negative things have come to be strongly associated with apnay. And this 'balle balle' caricature has formed, and many apnay live up to it. 

The historic reality of bhangra is that it was originally a dance performed at celebrations (like giddah for women) but especially at Vasaikhi by Juts. The word bhangra itself derives from the use of 'bhang' or cannabis used around this time of celebrating getting the harvest in. Drink is also strong feature of Jut culture, so that is the original source of this 'cultural phenomena'. Thinking people believe that Dasmesh pita specifically chose Vasaikhi for the revelation of the Khalsa to give an alternative to this way of celebrating it. Like Hola Mohalla was given as an alternative to Holi.      

Your point of how british bhangra had global impacts, including on Panjab itself is a very interesting one. 

[Premi5]

6 minutes ago, dallysingh101 said:

I think that you REALLY struggle to grasp what I say. And often get the wrong end of the stick.

But let me tell you how I think it went. 

The 80s were appalling for nonwhites in the UK. Openly racist abuse, attacks, a large part of the population especially hated 'p**is' (as in brown people), the smell of the food, the alien dress codes (turbans, shalwaars etc.), goofy accents. Parents were also highly conservative then too. Children were frequently not allowed to socialise outside of school. 

In that background, when certain 'bhangra groups' started doing concerts (like Alaap, Apna Sangeet,Heera, Premi etc), all young brown people jumped on it. It was an identity they could be proud of. It was Sikh Panjabis who dominated the actually groups, but all brown people were turning up to concerts. This also took place with the spread of drinking in the youth, which many had learnt from their fathers or older relatives. People (mainly apnay) were off their heads bhangra paa-ing. Gigs took place during school hours because many parents wouldn't let kids go out in the evening.

Now whilst this was happening, another movement was taking place that came from the north. It was the precursor to what we know now as Islamic fundamentalism. These people disliked the perceived wanton, hedonistic culture of 'Sikhs' and how it was infecting their own community. They stopped sulliyan going to the gigs essentially, and those sullay that went had an impression of drunken sl@gs being available for easy sex. So more and more predators would come to these things. 

Some apnay (especially in B'ham) clocked what was going on. This led to conflicts. 

For a while this industry grew and morphed in various ways. A lot of nonSikhs jumped on the bandwagon to try and make money. Opening up labels, sponsoring gigs trying to make money.

That all being said, it's our own lots fault for promoting this so much. Predators exploited what apnay put out. In the meanwhile, bhangra paa-ing, drinking, and a variety of negative things have come to be strongly associated with apnay. And this 'balle balle' caricature has formed, and many apnay live up to it. 

The historic reality of bhangra is that it was originally a dance performed at celebrations (like giddah for women) but especially at Vasaikhi by Juts. The word bhangra itself derives from the use of 'bhang' or cannabis used around this time of celebrating getting the harvest in. Drink is also strong feature of Jut culture, so that is the original sources of this 'cultural phenomena'. Thinking people believe that Dasmesh pita specifically chose Vasaikhi for the revelation of the Khalsa to give an alternative to this way of celebrating it. Like Hola Mohalla was given as an alternative to Holi.      

Your point of how british bhangra had global impacts, including on Panjab itself is a very interesting one. 

I completely understand what you said here. I played 'dumb' a little because I've asked you the question before but you were not very forthcoming (about whether UK bhangra scene increased popularity of bhangra in India)

Maybe because most of UK Punjabis are from Doaba background and my family is all from Malwa { (Ludhaina) although Ludhiana district is a border district with Jalandhar)} I have not seen much 'bhangra' in Malwa culture. It does seem to be more popular in Doaba while non-bhangra/folk  Punjabi music, e.g. a certain G Maan of Muktsar seems relatively more popular in Malwa. Possibly the NRI Doaba-Indian Doaba link made bhangra popular. But, I think Hindi music was more popular with a lot of my first generation UK relatives in the 80's and 90's. 

Thinking people believe that Dasmesh pita specifically chose Vasaikhi for the revelation of the Khalsa to give an alternative to this way of celebrating it. Like Hola Mohalla was given as an alternative to Holi.      

That's an interesting theory/fact which I had never thought of, but would make perfect sense. 7

With the bhangra thing, we (Sikhs especially those identifiable by their physical appearance as one) are own worst enemy in promoting the drinking/dancing/silly image that many non Sikhs have of s

[dallysingh101]

43 minutes ago, Premi5 said:

With the bhangra thing, we (Sikhs especially those identifiable by their physical appearance as one) are own worst enemy in promoting the drinking/dancing/silly image that many non Sikhs have of s

 

[Premi5]

26 minutes ago, dallysingh101 said:

 

Thanks for keeping us laughing