Sikh Farmers MURDERED in Lakhimour Kheir,

[GurjantGnostic]

9 hours ago, Jai Tegang! said:

the Gurdwara should be the center of learning?

This. Should be the center of this and much more. 

[Kau89r8]

@dallysingh101 @Jai Tegang!

You guys really articulated it well. We should focus our energy on what we can change then what is not in our control (Panjab India).

Hopefully we all are in the same page with what you said. Let's all try to be forefront economically, tech, weapons and so on. 

[GurjantGnostic]

1 hour ago, Kau89r8 said:

@dallysingh101 @Jai Tegang!

You guys really articulated it well. We should focus our energy on what we can change then what is not in our control (Panjab India).

Hopefully we all are in the same page with what you said. Let's all try to be forefront economically, tech, weapons and so on. 

I agree, but the disparity is so great between the Paanth and even poor governments, let alone the imperials. While constant progress should be made in this direction and equal amount of energy needs to be put into asymetrical low cost options. 

[MisterrSingh]

9 hours ago, Kau89r8 said:

@dallysingh101 @Jai Tegang!

You guys really articulated it well. We should focus our energy on what we can change then what is not in our control (Panjab India).

Hopefully we all are in the same page with what you said. Let's all try to be forefront economically, tech, weapons and so on. 

Devil's Advocate: isn't that just shuffling around on the periphery occupying ourselves with activities far removed from the actual core power structure where decisions are actually made and things get done, while deluding ourselves we're making a difference with busy-work that barely makes a dent in the long-term picture? Isn't that what happens when a Gurdwara committee has a falling out, and a splinter group breaks off to open up another Gurdwara (this time a little smaller and dingier than the main one) a few streets away, lol?  The problems in the original committee that caused the aggravation aren't tackled; they're left to fester and exacerbate while another future committee conflict is seeded with the opening of another building. And so it goes on.

I think there'll need to come a moment when renegade yet ultimately big-picture-seeing loyalist elements within the panth will have to be brave and take on those who've occupied the seats of power and influence in unequivocal terms. The slander, emotional blackmail, name-calling, etc., will be relentless, but the end result, if seen through, will be tremendous. Of course, the constantly fearful or brainwashed or those who've grown rich, fat, and wealthy thanks to the current system will try their darndest to put a dampener on things because it means their ride on the gravy train is coming to an end.

Change needs to happen IN Punjab IN those institutions. That place needs a clearing out. Messing around with other stuff is just a huge coping strategy IMO.

[dallysingh101]

7 hours ago, MisterrSingh said:

Change needs to happen IN Punjab IN those institutions. That place needs a clearing out. Messing around with other stuff is just a huge coping strategy IMO.

I hear what you are saying, but it can also be a way to have strong localised communities too. That's the way forward. And if we can do it at ground level, outside of the existing rot, it'll only be time before the ole crusty, deeply lodged elements will get ruffled, and then possibly swept away. Pendus are REALLY susceptible to peer pressure and not being seen as out of the norm (lemming style), if forward thinking people get organised and their numbers up, we can embarrass the pendus into conformity.   

Come on, we are in a new unprecedented place now. We can learn about our heritage with modern tech. We can take the local, same old, same old, backwards petty politics out of our lives to a large extent. And deal with them down the line. 

But if we do manage to concentrate power, we have to be so careful of infiltration by sociopaths (which we know are rampant in our quom) this time.   

[Kau89r8]

On 10/13/2021 at 9:09 PM, Jai Tegang! said:

 

You see the same in agriculture. People keep planting the same devastating crops, which the markets don’t even want due to excess production, and howl and complain when the inevitable happens. Then we complain that Punjabi hindus control the cities. Well, they get educated and join the market driven economy and prosper, while our village kids pursue an entitled  fairy-tale lifestyle with devastating consequences. It’s a cold harsh truth, all the more evident when these same kids make it to the west and start pursing the exact thing they scoff at back home….hard work.

 

@Jai Tegang!

Do you see any loopholes with farm laws? If they don't take back the laws, can there be a way to outsmart them and gain for the farmers? 

[GurjantGnostic]

Just now, Kau89r8 said:

@Jai Tegang!

Do you see any loopholes with farm laws? If they don't take back the laws, can there be a way to outsmart them and gain for the farmers? 

In india, I hope so.

Looking at our farming problem world wide we have to commit, even if occupied by imperial positions, to contributing to personal or communal non profit farms. 

Our independence and resilience relies on having food we get directly from mother earth without asking anyone. 

[Kau89r8]

7 minutes ago, GurjantGnostic said:

In india, I hope so.

Looking at our farming problem world wide we have to commit, even if occupied by imperial positions, to contributing to personal or communal non profit farms. 

Our independence and resilience relies on having food we get directly from mother earth without asking anyone. 

Yes in India,

If they don't take back the laws..then why do you see happening...what ways can they be used to their benefits without losing their land?

 

[proudkaur21]

14 minutes ago, Kau89r8 said:

@Jai Tegang!

Do you see any loopholes with farm laws? If they don't take back the laws, can there be a way to outsmart them and gain for the farmers? 

Idk alot about the farm laws other than the msp scandal which i fully agree will be bad for farmers as i have no trust in corporations and we all know about the law and order in india but having our land under corporations is very dangerous. Once corporations control the source of food they control us humans. I am definitely not in favor of giving so much control to corporations as we all know their main goal is to make as much profit as possible at the expense of humans but someone on twitter was saying how since alot of young people from villages in punjab are moving out of india who will do the farming back home in the future.

[GurjantGnostic]

3 minutes ago, proudkaur21 said:

Idk alot about the farm laws other than the msp scandal which i fully agree will be bad for farmers as i have no trust in corporations and we all know about the law and order in india but having our land under corporations is very dangerous. Once corporations control the source of food they control us humans. I am definitely not in favor of giving so much control to corporations as we all know their main goal is to make as much profit as possible at the expense of humans but someone on twitter was saying how since alot of young people from villages in punjab are moving out of india who will do the farming back home in the future.

They already own the governments. That's why we see this push for the resources, air, land, water as their end game. 

Of course corporations don't work without world bank so we know who's really trying to finish their invasion of this planet.