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2 hours ago, dallysingh101 said:

I don't agree. 

 

I think in the UK, anti-imperialist Sikhs have played a very important role culturally, and will continue to do so. I think those 'yes men' (and women) who've kept up that grinning pro-sepoy narrative are the delusional ones. I think Sikh culture can and will play a very important cultural part in the UK in future. I think it already has in terms of outing the widespread grooming problem in english society. More is to come when we start sharing our true ithihaas with all the inspiring figures within - as opposed to the docile rural sepoy types. I mean look at how much interest just one film on Udham Singh has generated. Our Sikh culture has a lot to offer and people can learn a lot from it. We just need to dislodge and marginalise the puppets. 

Who have the anti-grooming movements highlighted as being the primary movers and shakers in that field? Musleh, lol, the UK's pet minority. Nobody's going to shabash for Sikhs for putting Islamic communal practices under the microscope regardless of the objective truth involved. If anything, white liberals are itching to tar us with the islamophobe label for even going this far. We're (as in non-Leftist Sikhs) seen as an annoying thorn in the side of these laughable attempts at creating a uniform "BAME" identity because we'll end up getting nothing from that relationship aside from being forced to endure the sight of our females having Anand Karaj's with goreh, kaleh, and the rest of them.

The thing is if we are to have any worthwhile cultural impact, it needs to be "mainstreamed." For that you need people on the "inside" who aren't liberals. But they only hire individuals who possess that particular mindset and ideology, so we can't get our message out at all. In fact we're deliberately misrepresented and slandered to shame us into compliance.

This idealistic meritocracy is not how things are undertaken in the system of now. You're in if you sing from their hymn sheet. You're out if you don't. 

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I don't see the point of usIng the gurdwara for prayers  Muslims can lay down their mats and pray anywhere: on the street, in the park, in a lounge. But to do this, is like capitulating  

This is the undoing of over 500 years of history, we had always kept up our guard against these people and even though we might not have known on what basis their enmity towards us lay, we knew that b

No, I would say that Ravi Singh KA is a hundred times worse than the Hindu Mahasabha guy because the biggest danger is always from traitor within. The one who has been gradually wearing away the shiel

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28 minutes ago, Ranjeet01 said:

We have to focus on what we do have control over. Since intra-Sikh matters are not a big matter in the mainstream, we identify and call out the traitors and shame them.

Yes, this is it. We're in no position to punch up, so we punch at our level, i.e. Apne who are begging to be sat at the top table. But act now while these sellouts don't have any impactful power. Once they're admitted into the inner sanctum, lol, they'll be afforded all the privileges and benefits that will stop people of our frame of mind from bringing them down a peg or two. 

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59 minutes ago, MisterrSingh said:

Yes, this is it. We're in no position to punch up, so we punch at our level, i.e. Apne who are begging to be sat at the top table. But act now while these sellouts don't have any impactful power. Once they're admitted into the inner sanctum, lol, they'll be afforded all the privileges and benefits that will stop people of our frame of mind from bringing them down a peg or two. 

We are the canaries in the coal mine again in this instance. But we have an opportunity here.

We may not have control of the macro-situation but we may have the power to influence things.

We Sikhs should do what we do best and carve our own path in tackling this menace. We pioneer, let's find a way.

"Where there's a Singh, there's a way!"

 

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1 hour ago, dallysingh101 said:

...so it should be easier now.  But if we continue to produce fudhoo nonsense about Flying Juts and Jut and Juliet etc. etc. etc., then we're only producing shallow rubbish for our own to consume (and make themselves even more of a joke) as well as producing stuff that has no value to any interested outsider either. That stuff just largely confirms the dumbo stereotype, and comical turbaned figure caricature. 

This is key. I'm glad you've raised this point. It's perhaps worthy of its own thread but I'll digress here. Our art as a unique group is woeful. There's a saying that if you want to gauge the progress or capabilities of a particular culture or civilisation, examine the art they produce (and by 'art' I'm not referring to paintings in the classical sense, but things like literature, films, music, etc). 

If we think the West popularises and promotes art (particularly over the past 20 years) that's satisfies and appeals mostly to the lowest common denominator (because something that's "widely accessible" - a euphemism if I ever heard one - is what reaps the most profit), then who the heck is our art tailored to? The mentally deficient? 

It doesn't help that our culture completely demeans the pursuit of creating art to be some worthless past time that distracts us from our primary activity of accumulating money. Even when someone from our community creates something that breaks out, the subtext or theme or message is polluted by whatever politics or cultural mood that's already heavily promoted as the norm at that time. It's rarely or ever about "big picture" thinking that goes beyond the basics  That's the West at least. In India it's low-IQ cr4p that's been done thousands of time previously.

We need to develop a mindset where we aren't afraid to offend (in a smart sense) by being brave and original in thought. This adopting the mindset and socio-political inclinations of a dying civilisation in the West isn't doing us any favours. 

 

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3 hours ago, Ranjeet01 said:

We are the canaries in the coal mine again in this instance. But we have an opportunity here.

We may not have control of the macro-situation but we may have the power to influence things.

We Sikhs should do what we do best and carve our own path in tackling this menace. We pioneer, let's find a way.

"Where there's a Singh, there's a way!"

 

One with God is a majority. 

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On 11/27/2021 at 2:18 PM, proactive said:

 

The whole open air Namaz thing is all DIKHAWA. They clog up roads as a show of force not piety. It is a way of showing the non-Muslims that they control the streets and the parks. What is happening in Gurugram is just a reaction from non-Muslims who are unwilling to be dhimmis. The process is similar in many non-Muslim countries, they will disrupt the lives of non-Muslims and if there are protests they will demand that the govt gift them land so that they can pray. It is a win-win situation for them. 

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www.newindianexpress.com/nation/2021/nov/27/namaz-interrupted-by-right-wing-groups-asprayer-at-gurugram-gurdwara-opposed-2388718.amp

By Harpreet Bajwa| Express News Service | Published: 27th November 2021 09:37 AM

CHANDIGARH: Incidents of right-wing outfits blocking the offering of namaz by Muslims in Gurugram do not seem to end. On Friday, a Hindu group interrupted prayers at Sector 37 here as they chanted 'Jai Shri Ram' and 'Bharat Mata ki Jai' and read Hanuman Chalisa. They claimed that they did it to mark the 26/11 terror attacks.

In another incident on the day, Sikh and Nihang men objected to Muslims praying at a local gurdwara situated near grain market here. Earlier, Muslims who had initially gathered at the spot planned to leave without praying.

As soon as the 20-minute namaz ended, a few people from the Hindu organisations took over the space. The members of the Muslim community decided to leave the site peacefully.

While on the other hand the Sikh community and Nihangs (warrior Sikhs) reached at the gurudwara before the Muslims could start their prayers and told the gurdwara committee that namaz in gurdwara is against the 'Gur Maryada'….

Meanwhile, the gurdwara committee said space would not be offered because Muslims have not sought space for namaz from them but underlined the resolve to stand with the minority community. For last few months right-wing Hindu organisations and members of resident welfare associations (RWAs) have objected to the offering of namaz in open spaces in Gurugram.

Meanwhile, members of the Muslim community also sought action against those disturbing their prayers. "Why Bhajans, Kirtan and Hawan are held when we hold namaz every Friday? They take the law in their own hands," said a member of the Muslim community.
 

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18 hours ago, MisterrSingh said:

Who have the anti-grooming movements highlighted as being the primary movers and shakers in that field? Musleh, lol, the UK's pet minority. Nobody's going to shabash for Sikhs for putting Islamic communal practices under the microscope regardless of the objective truth involved.

Singh, I think you're completely missing the important bit about these people being pretty much allowed to get away with it because of english complicity via their media, police and social services.   

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4 hours ago, Premi5 said:


www.newindianexpress.com/nation/2021/nov/27/namaz-interrupted-by-right-wing-groups-asprayer-at-gurugram-gurdwara-opposed-2388718.amp

By Harpreet Bajwa| Express News Service | Published: 27th November 2021 09:37 AM

CHANDIGARH: Incidents of right-wing outfits blocking the offering of namaz by Muslims in Gurugram do not seem to end. On Friday, a Hindu group interrupted prayers at Sector 37 here as they chanted 'Jai Shri Ram' and 'Bharat Mata ki Jai' and read Hanuman Chalisa. They claimed that they did it to mark the 26/11 terror attacks.

In another incident on the day, Sikh and Nihang men objected to Muslims praying at a local gurdwara situated near grain market here. Earlier, Muslims who had initially gathered at the spot planned to leave without praying.

As soon as the 20-minute namaz ended, a few people from the Hindu organisations took over the space. The members of the Muslim community decided to leave the site peacefully.

While on the other hand the Sikh community and Nihangs (warrior Sikhs) reached at the gurudwara before the Muslims could start their prayers and told the gurdwara committee that namaz in gurdwara is against the 'Gur Maryada'….

Meanwhile, the gurdwara committee said space would not be offered because Muslims have not sought space for namaz from them but underlined the resolve to stand with the minority community. For last few months right-wing Hindu organisations and members of resident welfare associations (RWAs) have objected to the offering of namaz in open spaces in Gurugram.

Meanwhile, members of the Muslim community also sought action against those disturbing their prayers. "Why Bhajans, Kirtan and Hawan are held when we hold namaz every Friday? They take the law in their own hands," said a member of the Muslim community.
 

It's a struggle to see whether the Muslims or the non-Muslims can control public spaces. Had there been no attempt to do Namaz in a park then there would have been no attempt to disrupt it or do Puja there. The shock is that while Hindus are trying to reclaim public spaces, our own i.diots are openly offering our religious places to them! 

This is what happens when you give these people an inch. 

Paris suburb tries to stop Muslim street prayers - YouTube

And in Hyde Park. There is three Mosques with in ten minutes walk of the park.

They hate this! (Prayer) Unity of the Muslims in Hyde Park - YouTube

 

 

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https://www.goabroad.com/articles/teach-abroad/10-things-banned-in-saudi-arabia

 

Non-Muslims are not allowed to worship in public in Saudi Arabia, and there are not many (if any) non-Muslim places of worship in major cities throughout the country. This law also includes promotion or display of personal religious items, like religious books and symbols (i.e. the crucifix). 

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15 hours ago, MisterrSingh said:

This is key. I'm glad you've raised this point. It's perhaps worthy of its own thread but I'll digress here. Our art as a unique group is woeful. There's a saying that if you want to gauge the progress or capabilities of a particular culture or civilisation, examine the art they produce (and by 'art' I'm not referring to paintings in the classical sense, but things like literature, films, music, etc). 

If we think the West popularises and promotes art (particularly over the past 20 years) that's satisfies and appeals mostly to the lowest common denominator (because something that's "widely accessible" - a euphemism if I ever heard one - is what reaps the most profit), then who the heck is our art tailored to? The mentally deficient? 

It doesn't help that our culture completely demeans the pursuit of creating art to be some worthless past time that distracts us from our primary activity of accumulating money. Even when someone from our community creates something that breaks out, the subtext or theme or message is polluted by whatever politics or cultural mood that's already heavily promoted as the norm at that time. It's rarely or ever about "big picture" thinking that goes beyond the basics  That's the West at least. In India it's low-IQ cr4p that's been done thousands of time previously.

We need to develop a mindset where we aren't afraid to offend (in a smart sense) by being brave and original in thought. This adopting the mindset and socio-political inclinations of a dying civilisation in the West isn't doing us any favours. 

 

This topic about the state of our 'culture' is an important one. We're yet to see the effects of Sonam Bajwa types being mass promoted by our own. What will those girls who are currently about 7/8 years old and watching this stuff going to be like when they are 18? 

Plus it's universally known that most females are incapable of resisting 'glamorised' media depictions without it deeply effecting their psyches and worldviews. 

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58 minutes ago, dallysingh101 said:

This topic about the state of our 'culture' is an important one. We're yet to see the effects of Sonam Bajwa types being mass promoted by our own. What will those girls who are currently about 7/8 years old and watching this stuff going to be like when they are 18? 

Plus it's universally known that most females are incapable of resisting 'glamorised' media depictions without it deeply effecting their psyches and worldviews. 

If someone think media is honest and legit, that’s their problem usually. 

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