India's Four Religions Should Be Together

[GurjantGnostic]

3 minutes ago, ipledgeblue said:

yeh I want to see more improvised instruments and synth pads. I also want to see electric guitars, I think they can make a somewhat similar sound to some stringed instruments. I used to hear some keertan on the radio from Australia and he used to use electric guitars and didgeridoos, I don't think it was in Raag but it was pretty good!  Lastly, I would love to see an electric guitar played at rehnsbai uploaded on youtube for us to watch.  

Bro. I found a digeradoo track saying Vaheguru and went nuts with it. 

The difference with a guitar is you hold and play multiple strings for cords. We don't do that we play one string really. But you could absolutely modify any guitar and use it differently. You'd slide on it and play scales not cords. 

Please find that aussie Kirtan bro. 

[GurjantGnostic]

1 minute ago, ipledgeblue said:

time to start a movement.... 

They play live, loop, and interface with computers to make digital music better than anything else. How are we not using them?

[GurjantGnostic]

7 minutes ago, ipledgeblue said:

yeh I want to see more improvised instruments and synth pads. I also want to see electric guitars, I think they can make a somewhat similar sound to some stringed instruments. I used to hear some keertan on the radio from Australia and he used to use electric guitars and didgeridoos, I don't think it was in Raag but it was pretty good!  Lastly, I would love to see an electric guitar played at rehnsbai uploaded on youtube for us to watch.  

 

Lastly, why can't we have DJs performing keertan. Since we already use an archaic instrument imported by the British called the hamronium, then DJ keertan is not beadbi at all since most sikhs have forsaken Gurus' instruments anyways! I think there's quite a few Singhs or sardars who are DJs for punjabi functions, and DJ'ing has become a regular part of the punjabi culture. So why not present keertan in a way modern punjabis and modern sikhs are used to music, instead of using the out-o-f-date and out-of-place harmonium - it's not exactly like sangat and gurdwaras are bothering to try to preserve Gurudev's instuments anyway?

The Bir Ras Smagams with electronic music? Bro. Talk about recruiting a whole generation of Soorma. They don't need gang life they need Sikhi. 

[ipledgeblue]

49 minutes ago, GurjantGnostic said:

Bro. I found a digeradoo track saying Vaheguru and went nuts with it. 

The difference with a guitar is you hold and play multiple strings for cords. We don't do that we play one string really. But you could absolutely modify any guitar and use it differently. You'd slide on it and play scales not cords. 

Please find that aussie Kirtan bro. 

I am sure it is Dya Singh Australia, the keertan was from the 2000s, I think I used to hear it on Desi Radio.I think one of the tracks may have been singing dasam bani.

 

I cannot find the tracks:

 

 

[MisterrSingh]

7 hours ago, Ranjeet01 said:

Well, maybe I could be hopeful.

But I have been watching a some youtube channels of some well known Raggis. They did this tour of Pakistan Gurdwaras, it was quite eye opening.

For all the yatris that come from India and elsewhere, there are a lot of Sangat there that were the native Pakistan non-Sikh population (and not just the Hindus in Sindh). There were muslims doing kirtan and some of them read Bani.

I could not quite understand it.

Something quite weird, it seems that grassroots Pakistanis seems to be quite open to Bani but it seems that their Ulema will find it threatening.

If you think about it, the average Pakistani will understand Bani quite naturally whereas none of them can speak or understand Arabic.

Maybe I am looking too much into it.

I went to Nankana Sahib yatra a few years back. I tried not to let myself get caught up in the occasion, so I watched, carefully, everyone around me, particularly the Pakistanis who were basically our guides over there, and the rest of them who did all the other smaller duties. Whilst they were all very respectful, saying all the right things, it didn't take a genius to work out it was nothing more than a job to them; a 9 to 5 per se. Sure, they were dilgent in their duties; they were very polite, flattering, and constantly smiled, etc., but it was almost rehearsed, like the staff at a theme park if you know what I mean. The Sikh female contingent that came with us were predictably falling over themselves to praise the "shardaa" of the Pakistanis at Nankana Sahib, while it was only a couple or so of the guys (around my age; 30s or so) who detected the faintest of disingenuousness beneath it all.

Native Pakistanis are a whole other level of chalakhi compared to Native Indians if you can believe such a thing. The best way I can describe the Indian flavour of deviousness is when our elders refer to "anni chalakhi" (blind scheming / deviousness) whereby the cleverness is actually revealed to be an own-goal or stupidity that's not perceived to be this way by the schemer himself: that's Indian deviousness by and large. Retarded scheming. Pakistani chalakhi on the other hand is so, so authentic and... smooth! It's almost salesman-like.

I don't completely discount your assertions about Sikhi and Gurbani having some sort of affect on the odd Pakistani here and there, but I think some of them have clocked on to the fact that easy YouTube money can be made by pandering to Indian Sikhs by reacting to Sikh content, confusing some of us into letting our guard down against them in numerous ways.

[GurjantGnostic]

1 hour ago, GurjantGnostic said:

I'm about halfway to understanding how all this comes together. Here is an electronic artist I found on accident who actually uses tabla beats, like six counts etc, and perhaps the SaReGa frequencies. 

This Raag is not in Guru Granth Sahib Ji. I'll listen more and find some that match Gurbani. 

1  2 3 ...4 5 6...

Not 4 not 8 not 16 which is all other electronic music. 

Kirtan uses those times too just not always. 

The Raag and the Tabla don't necessarily line up the same way in Kirtan as western music. They just start together in pulses but the tabla can play longer I think is how it works out. 

Meh. Channel is good but very little Kirtan crossover. 

[Ranjeet01]

8 hours ago, MisterrSingh said:

I went to Nankana Sahib yatra a few years back. I tried not to let myself get caught up in the occasion, so I watched, carefully, everyone around me, particularly the Pakistanis who were basically our guides over there, and the rest of them who did all the other smaller duties. Whilst they were all very respectful, saying all the right things, it didn't take a genius to work out it was nothing more than a job to them; a 9 to 5 per se. Sure, they were dilgent in their duties; they were very polite, flattering, and constantly smiled, etc., but it was almost rehearsed, like the staff at a theme park if you know what I mean. The Sikh female contingent that came with us were predictably falling over themselves to praise the "shardaa" of the Pakistanis at Nankana Sahib, while it was only a couple or so of the guys (around my age; 30s or so) who detected the faintest of disingenuousness beneath it all.

Great Insight! I guess it was because I was watching on youtube and the videos are edited and the experience of not being there makes a lot of difference.

 

8 hours ago, MisterrSingh said:

Native Pakistanis are a whole other level of chalakhi compared to Native Indians if you can believe such a thing. The best way I can describe the Indian flavour of deviousness is when our elders refer to "anni chalakhi" (blind scheming / deviousness) whereby the cleverness is actually revealed to be an own-goal or stupidity that's not perceived to be this way by the schemer himself: that's Indian deviousness by and large. Retarded scheming. Pakistani chalakhi on the other hand is so, so authentic and... smooth! It's almost salesman-like.

Chalaki-ness is like a scale. There are different levels of chalaki.

My father used to call "anni chalaki" stupid crafty.

Pakistanis are great at selling and sweet talking, they are experts at it. It's like it is built into their DNA. Hindus go on about Chanakya and his cunning, but I think the Pakistanis are the true descendants of Chanakya, which makes sense because he lived in what is now Pakistan.

8 hours ago, MisterrSingh said:

I don't completely discount your assertions about Sikhi and Gurbani having some sort of affect on the odd Pakistani here and there, but I think some of them have clocked on to the fact that easy YouTube money can be made by pandering to Indian Sikhs by reacting to Sikh content, confusing some of us into letting our guard down against them in numerous ways.

I think I have shown my natural Sikh flaw that many of us Sikhs have.

Our nature is an open and inclusive one. This can be a strength as it has the ability to draw people together, however it also makes us susceptible to some of these manipulations.

But thanks to yourself for highlighting this.

[ipledgeblue]

10 hours ago, GurjantGnostic said:

Meh. Channel is good but very little Kirtan crossover. 

I can't find the tracks from the 2000s, will need more research.

[MisterrSingh]

6 hours ago, Ranjeet01 said:

I think I have shown my natural Sikh flaw that many of us Sikhs have.

Our nature is an open and inclusive one. This can be a strength as it has the ability to draw people together, however it also makes us susceptible to some of these manipulations.

But thanks to yourself for highlighting this.

I think these recent "Pakistani Reacts to Sikhi" videos are an updated iteration of what I saw over there. It's cynical pandering. Unfortunately it has other ramifications for us beyond stroking our egos as a collective, i.e. by appealing to our women-folk who lack any sense of critical thinking. Western Liberalism (in terms of its tolerance and promotion of Islam) has ensured up and coming Sikh generations - more so females - have been conditioned to not view Islam as a threat. Now, it seems they're going after more traditionally-minded Sikhs who are no less guillible (the "manas ki jaat sabhe ek hai pachaino" crew); the end objective is the same: "Trust us."

[shastarSingh]

21 minutes ago, MisterrSingh said:

I think these recent "Pakistani Reacts to Sikhi" videos are an updated iteration of what I saw over there. It's cynical pandering. Unfortunately it has other ramifications for us beyond stroking our egos as a collective, i.e. by appealing to our women-folk who lack any sense of critical thinking. Western Liberalism (in terms of its tolerance and promotion of Islam) has ensured up and coming Sikh generations - more so females - have been conditioned to not view Islam as a threat. Now, it seems they're going after more traditionally-minded Sikhs who are no less guillible; the end objective is the same: "Trust us."

@MisterrSingh

Plz give ur opinion on my Guru ka baaz thread