Loyalty or submission is more important than bhagti!

[shastarSingh]

There is a nice sikh parcharak who keeps contact with naamdharis as they hv very good collection of books and manuscripts in their library.

We were talking about naamdharis on phone and he told me that a naamdhari has become amritdhari.

The naamdhari shared his experience that he has been doing nitnem for many years and used to feel ok.

But now he has become amritdhari and loyal to 10 Guru Sahibaan and has rejected the fake naamdhari gurus, he feels so much great when he does his nitnem. He feels so much charrdikala after becoming amritdhari.

[shastarSingh]

There hv been many Kharrku Singhs who had ok bhagti but not enough to reach Sachkhand. But they reached sachkhand because they gave shaheedi for their Guru.

[MisterrSingh]

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Loyalty or submission is more important than bhagti!

I'm not following Islam.

That's how you end up in a place where you follow leaders blindly who end up getting you killed or talk you into doing the unspeakable. 

[shastarSingh]

3 minutes ago, MisterrSingh said:

I'm not following Islam.

That's how you end up in a place where you follow leaders blindly who end up getting you killed or talk you into doing the unspeakable. 

Is submission to Guru Sahib wrong?

[MisterrSingh]

4 minutes ago, shastarSingh said:

Is submission to Guru Sahib wrong?

Depends on your definiton of Guru Sahib. If you're referring to living men of the modern age who set themselves up as representatives or spokesmen of Guru Sahib who are ostensibly occupying a "throne" that's passed down through the generations, then that's a line I wouldn't cross.

[shastarSingh]

3 minutes ago, MisterrSingh said:

Depends on your definiton of Guru Sahib. If you're referring to living men of the modern age who set themselves up as representatives or spokesmen of Guru Sahib who are ostensibly occupying a "throne" that's passed down through the generations, then that's a line I wouldn't cross.

By Guru Sahib, I mean our 10 Guru Sahibaan.

By submission, I meant being ready to sacrifice anything for Guru Sahib.

 

[MisterrSingh]

34 minutes ago, shastarSingh said:

1. By Guru Sahib, I mean our 10 Guru Sahibaan.

2. By submission, I meant being ready to sacrifice anything for Guru Sahib.

 

1. Yes

2. Who sets the parameters and specific objectives for the mooted sacrifice? A human representative? Your own budhi? 

A person can't throw out these hugely significant terms without specifically defining their reach.

[shastarSingh]

I feel that one of the reasons Guru Gobind Singh ji liked Hanuman Natak was because hanuman had immense loyalty and love for raam. Guru Sahib really valued that.

We hv so many granthis who do lots of paatth but still don't hv much spiritual avastha.

They do paatth for money and not for love of Guru Sahib or God.

Being totally committed and loyal to Guru Sahib comes first.

Bhagti is also very important but it comes after loyalty and love and commitment.

 

[GurjantGnostic]

On 12/24/2021 at 5:25 AM, shastarSingh said:

There is a nice sikh parcharak who keeps contact with naamdharis as they hv very good collection of books and manuscripts in their library.

We were talking about naamdharis on phone and he told me that a naamdhari has become amritdhari.

The naamdhari shared his experience that he has been doing nitnem for many years and used to feel ok.

But now he has become amritdhari and loyal to 10 Guru Sahibaan and has rejected the fake naamdhari gurus, he feels so much great when he does his nitnem. He feels so much charrdikala after becoming amritdhari.

Vaheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Vaheguru Ji Ki Fateh!