muslims hoping Sikhs will help them against hindus.... i think not

[justasking]

 funny how they trying to get us involved but never speak about grooming, or even the kashmir case where the Sikh lady was being groomed since she was 12

[dallysingh101]

Just now, justasking said:

 funny how they trying to get us involved but never speak about grooming, or even the kashmir case where the Sikh lady was being groomed since she was 12

Watch them (sullay) use the caste biraderi bull5hit to foster unity in future. I've seen it happen in the UK, and you've even heard morons on this forum talking about 'unity' with them. 

No brains.

Jut women need to start cussing off the men that do this. 

[proactive]

1 hour ago, justasking said:

 funny how they trying to get us involved but never speak about grooming, or even the kashmir case where the Sikh lady was being groomed since she was 12

It's what I have always said, we need to keep our noses out of the Hindutvi- Muslim/Liberal upcoming civil war. If needs be we may need  to support the Hindutvis because a Congress/Liberal run India would embolden the Jihadis and we will be swamped in Punjab by the Muslims because of our Sikh liberals who bend over backwards for them and support the building of Mosques in Punjab trying to undo our gains during partition.

The two dangers that Punjab faces is the  settlement of Muslims and the conversions to Christianity. The only party that has taken these on is the BJP. Those who we would have thought would be at the forefront of tackling these issues, the Khalistani/Sikh RW have been totally silent on these issues. The only person I have seen on Punjabi media raising questions about the Islamification of Punjab has been a mona BJP guy and he was shouted down by both the Liberals and the Sikh RW and the Congress. 

Just remember that the Congress and Liberals were quite prepared to commit a genocide of our people. Whatever the agenda of the BJP the fact is that they have managed to destroy the reputation of the sacred cows (no pun intended) of the Indian Liberalism like MK Gandhi and Nehru/Indira Gandhi This should be something that we should welcome because these were the people who revelled in the subjugation of our people. It is correct that there are Hindutvis  who have tried to justify 1984 but this is not the majority and they could be the former liberals who are now running with the Hindutvis for their own reasons. 

One thing that we have to admire about the Hindutvis  is that unlike us they have managed to insolate their liberals and the Hindutvis are now a majority in their population.  The Hindu liberals are being marginalised with each passing year. Lately our people have also woken up to the reality of our liberals but we are a few years behind the total isolation of our liberals that the Hindutvis have achieved in their people.  

[shastarSingh]

27 minutes ago, proactive said:

It's what I have always said, we need to keep our noses out of the Hindutvi- Muslim/Liberal upcoming civil war. If needs be we may need  to support the Hindutvis because a Congress/Liberal run India would embolden the Jihadis and we will be swamped in Punjab by the Muslims because of our Sikh liberals who bend over backwards for them and support the building of Mosques in Punjab trying to undo our gains during partition.

The two dangers that Punjab faces is the  settlement of Muslims and the conversions to Christianity. The only party that has taken these on is the BJP. Those who we would have thought would be at the forefront of tackling these issues, the Khalistani/Sikh RW have been totally silent on these issues. The only person I have seen on Punjabi media raising questions about the Islamification of Punjab has been a mona BJP guy and he was shouted down by both the Liberals and the Sikh RW and the Congress. 

Just remember that the Congress and Liberals were quite prepared to commit a genocide of our people. Whatever the agenda of the BJP the fact is that they have managed to destroy the reputation of the sacred cows (no pun intended) of the Indian Liberalism like MK Gandhi and Nehru/Indira Gandhi This should be something that we should welcome because these were the people who revelled in the subjugation of our people. It is correct that there are Hindutvis  who have tried to justify 1984 but this is not the majority and they could be the former liberals who are now running with the Hindutvis for their own reasons. 

One thing that we have to admire about the Hindutvis  is that unlike us they have managed to insolate their liberals and the Hindutvis are now a majority in their population.  The Hindu liberals are being marginalised with each passing year. Lately our people have also woken up to the reality of our liberals but we are a few years behind the total isolation of our liberals that the Hindutvis have achieved in their people.  

My major problem with hindutavis is they attack our history and want to prove that Sikhs are keshadhari Hindus.

I as a sikh will never hv any alliance with RSS Hindus.

[proactive]

1 hour ago, shastarSingh said:

My major problem with hindutavis is they attack our history and want to prove that Sikhs are keshadhari Hindus.

I as a sikh will never hv any alliance with RSS Hindus.

There is only a certain timeframe that we can stay neutral. At some stage we will need to pick a side. The Ravi Singhs on our side want us to to disregard the Muslim love jihad and settlement in Punjab and take their side, the Hindutvis regard us as Hindus, the extreme think we came into being to protect them and the less extreme think we are part of the Sanatan family along with the Jains and Buddhists. 

We have to decide on which side do we lose or gain? If Hindutvis want to keep their propaganda that we are Hindus then how many Sikhs have they actually convinced that this is the case in the last 70 years? A miniscule number and mainly those who want to gain power and influence. 

On the other hand what do we lose by aligning with the Liberals and Jihadis? The Congress committed genocide on us and the liberals stood by and cheered this on. Never forget that fact. With them we have the Muslims who persecuted us for over 150 years and their political opportunism took away our Gurdwaras and lands and made 40% of our people refugees overnight and killed over 2 lakhs of our population.. The ISI intention is now to target Punjab with a demographic offensive with the settlement of Gujjar and Bhaiya Muslims in Punjab. They have used the base of Malerkotla and the Congress has now turned that town which pre-1947 was not even a Muslim majority into a Muslim majority town and the district which the Congress created has not strengthened them further. They are just 3% in Punjab, wait until they are 10% and then see what happens to Punjab. The Sikh generation of pre-1947 Punjab could live with a large Muslim minority in their midst because there were no liberals among us. They had a no nonsense attitude to Muslims and the Muslims also knew this. 

We also have to look at our history, we have never aligned with the Muslims against any of their enemies because we have always understood what their ultimate aim is. It is only with the Liberals like Ravi Singh and others who are intent on an alliance with them and have turned building Mosques by useful idiots in our villages into a 'sewa' that this option has even come about.. The idiocy of Ravi Singh and his karobar Khalsa Aid in spending Sangat's donation to rebuild and repair Muslim shops burned down during the 2020 Delhi riots is the kind of steps we will see more of if there is a civil war. Ravi Singh types will want to continue depleting the wealth of the Panth and strengthening his favourite victim community. 

Look around Asia, the dharmic religions are taking on the Muslims after many years of looking the other way. Sri Lankan Buddhists and even Tamils now against Sri Lankan Muslims. Myanmar Buddhists against Rohingya Muslims. Thai Buddhists against Malay Muslims in their southern provinces. The Chinese communists against the Uygurs. In no other country is the 3rd minority community aligning with the 2nd minority community especially if they are Muslims against the majority in that country. 

The aim now should be consolidation. Rather than building up pointless 'langar' dispensing organisations, we should be trying to duplicate what the Hindutvis have done. We should have our own organisations fighting love jihad as the Hindus have in places like UP and Rajasthan.  Youth need to organised in the villages and the towns. Just like the RSS can gather a large group at short notice whenever an incident occurs, we should be able to do the same. Just as the love jihadis have a network, we also need to have a network to defeat their nefarious activities. 

 

[shastarSingh]

49 minutes ago, proactive said:

There is only a certain timeframe that we can stay neutral. At some stage we will need to pick a side

But Guru Gobind Singh ji clearly states 

"Jab lag khalsa rahe niaaraa, tab lab tej deuun main saaraa"

"Jab eh gahe BIPRAN ki reet, main na Karun en ki parteet"

If we side with hindutavis, we will loose the bharosa of Guru Sahib.

[proactive]

Just now, shastarSingh said:

But Guru Gobind Singh ji clearly states 

"Jab lag khalsa rahe niaaraa, tab lab tej deuun main saaraa"

"Jab eh gahe BIPRAN ki reet, main na Karun en ki parteet"

If we side with hindutavis, we will loose the bharosa of Guru Sahib.

BIPRAN KI REET is taking on the rites and rituals of the Brahmins. Where in my post have I stated that we would be doing that? 

[shastarSingh]

4 minutes ago, proactive said:

BIPRAN KI REET is taking on the rites and rituals of the Brahmins. Where in my post have I stated that we would be doing that? 

If we pick the side that calls us Hindus, won't we loose our niaaraapan?

[proactive]

3 minutes ago, shastarSingh said:

If we pick the side that calls us Hindus, won't we loose our niaaraapan?

So if Hindus call us Hindus then we become Hindus? Is our Niarapan that weak?  So we should align with the side that has two groups that committed genocide on us, the Congress in 1984 and the Muslims in the 18th century? 

[Jai Tegang!]

I think our people have a very hard time conceptualizing how to deal with Muslims as the time period from 47’ gets more and more distant. Our collective knowledge of how to live/survive with them is fading in Punjab. The Muslims can be roughly placed in three categories as far it concerns us in our Punjab. There are the Pakistani Muslims, the left-behind Punjabi Muslims in our Punjab, and the UP/Bihari Muslims that are settling the industrial cities and working seasonally or longer in the pinds.

We should never forget that our 47’ losses. We lost the most fertile land of undivided Punjab and vastly more collective wealth, half of our HISTORICAL Gurdhams, and a massive proportion of our population perished in the massacres of 47’. With lower estimates of 250,000 non-muslims and equal number of muslims having perished, we can be sure that a majority of those non-muslims would be sikhs due to our visibility and general hostility of muslims against us. If we take even 200,000 Sikhs having been killed out of an estimated 6 million total sikh population, it represensts over 3%! For muslims losing 200,000 out of Indian subcontinental total of 100 million would represent 0.2 %, or even if we just use the Pakistani Muslim total of 37 million, it would still only be 0.5%.

While Pakistani today has a residue Sikh population of 10,000 or so that is entirely Pashtun, our Punjab alone has over 700,000 (535,000 as of 2011, and using a safe estimate of 30 % decadal growth it would be around 700,000 as of 2021). With Malerkotla city alone having 100,000 Muslims! Remember also, Pakistan is a huge country by size being close to 900,000 sq km as compared to our tiny Punjab of 50,000 sq km.

Let this sink in brothers.

Dealing with Hindus is an entirely different ball game. Great points by @proactive in relation to Hindutva.